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2 GB 6950 = $244.99 Shipped AR on amazon right now, then you unlock them to 6970's. this is win!
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links to it will help
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More matured drivers will only improve the 6970 whereas the 570's drivers are more or less fully matured since the card is architecturally nearly identical to the 4xx series. I would say as of now in that price bracket the 6970 is the clear winner with its slightly lower price and larger amount of vram.
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More matured drivers will only improve the 6970 whereas the 570's drivers are more or less fully matured since the card is architecturally nearly identical to the 4xx series. I would say as of now in that price bracket the 6970 is the clear winner with its slightly lower price and larger amount of vram.
Counting on AMD to do anything right with drivers shows a severe lack of judgment. The bottom line at this point is that the 6970 is a good deal slower, not much cheaper, and lacking the technological upside that nvidia cards have. The only checkmark in its corner is the vram for resolutions 2560x1600+, which may or may not be enough to make up for the fact that its slower to begin with.
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thank-you.

you have made me feel really appreciated on this forum.

i offer up my opinions, personal experience, and facts, to help OP and any one else who might read this thread in the near future, only to get blasted and called a "linux fanboi" by some one who can't even be bothered to verify the actual graphics card in my signature rig.

i tried to point out that a lot of benchmarks are biased, cause they either optimized for that one card, or the benchmarker "fudges" the numbers, removing data, switching it around, or "rounds up", to support his winner, which was chosen before they even began the test.

when bechmarks fail to provide adequate results for a decision, you next need to move onto features, but most fanbois will claim that features don't mean anything, especially if their choice doesn't have that feature.

and the tech specs are different, as both call and consider similar technology the same thing...but if you take all this out of the equation, what remains? what do you use to determine which is better? that was my question, and i didn't get an answer...my point was these things do matter, and should be examined closely when deciding, make sure the benchmarks and reviews you read aren't biased, make sure you understand the underlying differences in the technology, and why this feature is important or why it isn't!

as for your slashing and dashing, you didn't even attempt to criticize or even argue my main points in the post. you got stuck on my decision to use linux and buy nvidia, as i've chosen to verify my hardware working with an OS i have chosen to use. i do have windows 7 professional and home premium, upon request, i'm sure i could find copies of all the other windows i own, maybe even dos as well, but that doesn't appear to matter to you does it, i obvious hate MS, and can't stand the sight of it, since i'm such a huge linux fanboi..

if you really do want to know why i use linux, you can PM me, i will do my best to explain it, it might make your head explode as i will use big words, provide evidence that will contradict a lot of what you believe how the world is...and the worst of all, you might actually learn something, and i might infect you with my fanboism disease and get you to try it out...
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My 3dMark11 is at stock GTX 580 performance.
The score is posted in the GTX 570/580's link in my sig.
I thought cards are compared at stock, and since when is 3DMark 11 a game?


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Counting on AMD to do anything right with drivers shows a severe lack of judgment. The bottom line at this point is that the 6970 is a good deal sloide that nvidia cards havwer, not much cheaper, and lacking the technological upse. The only checkmark in its corner is the vram for resolutions 2560x1600+, which may or may not be enough to make up for the fact that its slower to begin with.
What the hell? The drivers are improving, if you bother to read what people say or any of the most recent reviews, but obviously since they have "AMD" labelled, you would avoid. And a 6970 is faster, in case you've been reading reviews from december. This is just like when fanboys claimed the GTX 470 was faster than the 5870, when it simply wasn't, and the same scenario here. The following are from the 6990 reviews because they will have the latest drivers, so with 11.4p or the upcoming ones, the 6970 would be even faster.








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Counting on AMD to do anything right with drivers shows a severe lack of judgment. The bottom line at this point is that the 6970 is a good deal slower, not much cheaper, and lacking the technological upside that nvidia cards have. The only checkmark in its corner is the vram for resolutions 2560x1600+, which may or may not be enough to make up for the fact that its slower to begin with.
It is showing a good 10-20% increase on average with the new drivers in many games. AMD is claiming that this is the first of several driver releases to address 6xxx series performance. The 6970 was benching at launch about 5-10% slower than the 570. Logic dictates that assuming AMD is telling the truth about future driver releases that the 6970 will be the better choice. Obviously that all hinges on AMD actually delivering more performance increases but the fact of the matter is there is always some performance gains to be made with new drivers when dealing with revised video card architectures, this has been shown time and time again on both sides. Lastly AMDs drivers really have come a long way from what they were during the radeon 7xxx series and prior to that. While not as well featured as nvidias drivers they work perfectly well in almost all cases.
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And the winner goes to... the 6970!

I can't believe how long this argument has gone on, especially by the same people.

Do you know what's the most appealing feature of AMD/ATI? Eyefinity with a single card! Yes, that feature alone will save you so much MONEY! This was the breaking point for me and that reason was good enough for me to change side.

Nvidia is a GREAT company whom make great products. Seriously though, price per performance is along way to go for them. Feature such as physx is useless and I said it so many times there are only a handful of games that are worth mentioning when it comes to physx.

Razi3l have proven the 69xx is gradually improving with drivers. He's an OCN member that own both the 570 and 69xx card so there is no reason to doubt his benchmark. He don't get pay for any of this and that's the reason why I trust his results more than Tom's hardware and other sites.

Let's talk about raw performance and feature of the 570 vs 6970. Raw performance they're are about equal at 1920x1200. You are retarded if you say otherwise. Physx for nvidia, is this worth mention? Seriously. Those who own a nvidia card, including myself, do you really think physx is worth the money? Tessilation are features for both ATI and Nvidia. Nvidia process tessilation better than AMD/ATI but that's about it. Now let's talk about eyefinity. How many card is require for Nvidia to run 3 monitors? 2 video cards and let me say that's a hole in anybody pocket. ATI/AMD only require a single card. Matter of fact, ATI/AMD can run 6 monitors with a single card. This alone is an amazing feature that change today's gaming industry. ATI/AMD came a long way especially with crossfire scaling, 85%-99%.

We can argue all day about price per performance and individual feature but you can't ignore the fact that ATI/AMD did an amazing job with the 6xxx cards.

This may not apply to all but it do apply to some. A few of today's games are limited by vram. This is another feature that ATI/AMD offer better than Nvida, with the exception of 580 3gb version.

Let's talk about the flaws.

There are reports of the GTX 570 blowing up due to overclocking. The cause was due to a removal of a safety feature. Now, some people might say, oh I overclock the 570 and it's in the same ball park as the 580. Same can be said about the 6950, the younger brother of the 6970. The 6xxx card overclock potential is great and yes it's in the same ball park as the 580 too.

ATI/AMD is a win win situation due to lower power consumption, eyefinity w/ a single card, overclock potential, more vram, and overall best bang for your bucks.

Nvidia offer Physx, high power consumptions, best performance overall (580) w/ outrageous price. Limited Vram with the exception of 580 3gb version.

Nvidia or ATI/AMD both offer great features. Pick one that suit your need. A single card w/ eyefinity was 100 time more appealing than physx. This is why bought my first ATI card.
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What the hell? The drivers are improving, if you bother to read what people say or any of the most recent reviews, but obviously since they have "AMD" labelled, you would avoid. And a 6970 is faster, in case you've been reading reviews from december. This is just like when fanboys claimed the GTX 470 was faster than the 5870, when it simply wasn't, and the same scenario here. The following are from the 6990 reviews because they will have the latest drivers, so with 11.4p or the upcoming ones, the 6970 would be even faster.

[snip bunch of random benches]
While cherrypicking benchmarks can be fun for slanting in the direction you want, you know as well as I do it's not factual. Its obviously necessary to look at the big picture. For instance, something like this.. from the TPU review of the 6990 (just like all of your links):



4% slower than a 480.

As for the 470 vs 5870 you chose to bring up, a 5870 is faster at stock while a 470 is faster when both are OC'd to their max. You can see that extensive testing process here: http://www.overclock.net/overclock-n...s-cypress.html
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I'd choose a GTX 570, it's quiter and OC'es better. Going with a 6970 would be pointless IMO, better get a 6950 then. The performance difference isn't that big between the two and you have a chance of unlocking it.
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