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Originally Posted by HOTDOGS;12708419 
This is the proposal, with prices since whatever I could price match through NCIX I did wink.gif:
  • 2X CM R4-S4S-10AK-GP 140mm Fans - $16.40
  • CM Blade Master 120mm - $8.99
  • Antec Truepower 650W - $69.95
  • CM Hyper 212+ - $24.12
  • EVGA 01G-P3-1366-TR GeForce GTX 460 SE (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $159.99
  • Gigabyte X58A-UD3R - $193.00
  • Rosewill RCR-IC001 Card Reader - $14.99
  • LG GH22NS50B OEM DVD/CD Reader - $17.99
  • OCZ Obsidian Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 - $64.99
  • 2X Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB - $96.98
  • Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB - $89.99

I think 650W seems a little high for what you're running unless you plan to go SLI, which may not be a bad idea. But it's a good price-per-way so I'd stick with it.

Do you really need the card reader? I got one when I first built my computer and never ended up using it. Some printers have them, but other than that I found it to be an eyesore and never used it. I didn't have a camera, but still. Found no problems hooking up via the camera and it'll save you money and clutter in your case. I think it'll also spare you some USB hookups on your mobo.

I put together an i7-930 build for a buddy in the summer with a 212+ and things got warm. I went for 4.0GHz with a 38mm San Ace as the push and stock as the pull and things topped off quite high. I was informed the chips run hot though, and I haven't heard any complaints from him. But I also have a 212+ with the same fans and they keep my CPU in my sig nice and cool with no problems.

The GPU seems like it should be okay for video editing and such. I've got a GTX 285 and have done good amounts of video editing in my day without any problems.

I could be mistaken but the UD3R mobo might have been the one I used with my friend's build. If so, no complaints there. Seems a little pricey being like a quarter to a fifth of your entire build though. Can't build a house on a poor foundation though?

What are the fans for? I'm assuming the 140's are for the case. They seem decent enough. Is the 120 for a push or pull? You can get Scythe Kaze Jyuni's on DirectCanada for $6 a pop, pretty solid.

As for RAM, I've heard over the years to stay the heck away from OCZ. Especially now that they've gotten out of the RAM market. Can't be a good sign. I always go with G.Skill, personally; can't beat the price-to-performance ratio. And I might consider getting like 12GB, especially if you do a lot of video editing. RAM's pretty dirt cheap right now so I don't see why you wouldn't double up for the price.

If you're looking for raw storage space, the WD 2TB drives are $75 a pop on DC as well. I don't think the F4's are the logical progression of the F3's, either; what I mean is that the F4's aren't as fast as/faster than the F3's, but don't quote me. In terms of the F3's, though, seems like as good a deal as any.
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Should I buy the extra insurance through NCIX for shipping? The price to calculate with is $554.20.
  • Free insurance covers up to $100 of damage or lost orders
  • ADDITIONAL INSURANCE ($7.36 - 1.5% of the subtotal) - Covers the full amount of your order.
  • ADDITIONAL INSURANCE with ExpressRMA ($14.71 - 3% of the subtotal) - Covers the full amount of your order and fast ExpressRMA product replacement coverage from 30 days in case there are problems *.

I would say goes with the additional insurance, at least. I would say no to expressRMA or whatever. I can only imagine that would cover the cost of shipping both ways, but I think it's only 30 days if it's like DirectCanada. So I'd say no. Even if you get something faulty within the 30 days you can still RMA it. If it doesn't offer to pay shipping from you to them, then F it. Waste of cash because you'll spend the same anyways.
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Why I selected certain parts:
  • I plan on running Snowleopard with Kakewalk and Windows 7 hence the 2X 250GB HDDs
  • 2TB HDD for shared files (footage, pictures, etc.)
  • I plan on watching DVDs and reading CDS hence the Drive
  • I will be editing HD AVCHD footage, which is captured to SDHC cards, hence the Flash Card Reader
  • I might overclock, hence the 212+ and additional Blade Master
  • Better air flow with the added two 140mms
  • I’d say 6GB RAM meets program standards (Triple Chanel Board) plus its black and I think it would look nicely with the rest of the case
  • Antec Truepower 650W Modular PSU because it should make cable management easier and is cheaper than the Corsair ones

I can't comment on the multiple OS's. The 2TB storage though, unless you're looking for performance storage, seems like a "best cost" type thing. Like I said, don't think the F4's are anything special.

I understand the card reader, and given that argument it might now be a bad idea. Especially if it's a video camera.

I would look around a bit with the 140mm fans. Scythe has some good fans for a good price. Just be aware that the 140mm Kazemaru 2's ONLY fit 120mm slots. Pretty lame.

And again, like I said, I'd look at better RAM at a better price and more of it.

Finally the True Power seems good. Antec has pretty good power supplies I believe, and you can't argue with the price-per-watt here.
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What is RMA like through NCIX? Do I need to by those extra service plans per part through NCIX?

Should I add anything else besides OSx and a CPU? Cables, screws, etc?

No idea what the RMA is like, I only/always go DirectCanada for large orders and largely don't have a problem.

EDIT: Actually, I believe I had the X58A-USB3 Gigabyte mobo for my friend's build. Solid motherboard either way though. I'd probably pay the $15-20 extra for the UD3R.
Edited by CasanovaFly - 3/13/11 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by CasanovaFly;12717126 
SOLID!biggrin.gif:D:D I need the card reader as my camera takes SDHC cards, there is no other method to hook the camera to the PC.

As for the F4 2TB shared drive what would you recommended in its place? I'd like it to be 2TB but I dont think the 5400rpm vs 7200rpm as storage is a big deal, maybe as a boot disk but I am a noob afterall redface.gif

I may look around for fans, I may just save up a lil more money and look into water cooling, but if I was staying stock the Hyper 212+ with an additional fan would be good right? What cooler do you recommended? Are the Corsair liquid cooling systems worth it? Water cooling will run about 200 bucks for a cheap setup (I think), but if I'm not OC'n its probably not worth it.

I think I will buy the insurance that covers the amount of my build, not more.

This is my cooling plan:

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Solid enough cooling plan. The case has a vent on the bottom, so I'd recommend turning the PSU upside down and letting it exhaust out there. Keeps a lot of heat out of the case. Before you think about cooling I highly recommend deciding whether you want to OC. If you do, then you pay attention to more cooling. If not, stock clocks with a 212+ won't be anything you need to worry about. I usually blow the exhaust from my 212+ out the back of the case, not the top, but that's me. If you want to fill out all the fans then by all means, but it's something you should look at more with OC'ing. Lots of it depends on your ambient temps in the room though -- if it's hot, obviously blowing hot air on something hot doesn't cool it down. The case fans are more or less just an air delivery system.

For cooling I can't speak to the all-in-one liquid cooling solutions because I've never had or needed them. The stock fan on the 212+ is actually pretty great, not sure you could do much better. This thing is the absolute best you could buy on this site probably, but they won't ship for a few weeks. You could definitely wait and use the stock fan as the push and switch it to pull and the Scythe to push when you finally get it. It'd probably be your best option but a little pricey.

It'd probably also be a good idea to look at a fan controller if you're not interested in noise. I always buy the fastest variations of fans and then turn them down when not in use via a fan controller. Something to look into.

If you're not OC'ing though, DON'T bother water cooling. Water cooling is for pushing 4.0+ on these chips. Or for hobbies. Or for much more silence. You gotta decide what you're doing with the CPU and then go from there. A modest 3.5GHz-3.8GHz OC is very achievable on air with a good cooler. I'd look into some quality thermal paste, too.

As for storage, go with the WD 2TB Green if you just want storage without incredible performance. Holy crow, if you order by the 16th it's only $70! They're dirt cheap. I bought one like a month ago and it was $85. If you want 2TB though, you can't beat $70. I've got 2 in my computer right now, and 2 more 1.5TB's. Never had any problems with WD; great company. They even sent me a new Raptor when I broke mine, so I'm a customer for a long time. If you're not editing stuff on them, just dumping finished products, they're good. If you ARE editing the content on them, I'd recommend investing a little more. But that's if you're a serious day-job type editor. What are your storage needs, anyways? F3's for a RAID boot drive?

And good call on the insurance. Pretty sure the fast express thing is just a money-making scheme.
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Im actually not going to raid anything. Im looking into OCing but I want to do it without dumping a ton on cooling, I WILL BUY BETTER FANS IF THATS WHAT IT TAKES. I think it would make more sense blowing out the side of the case if I had 2 fans I guess, it would just get sucked through the top by the fan on the other end.

Are those cooler master fans able to be fan controlled? What fans and controller should I be buying if I want to keep my budget low? I don't mind running them all 24/7 and cant imagine that many fans with there about 20dBA rating being annoying.
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Im actually not going to raid anything.

If you're not RAID'ing anything, what may I ask are the two F3's for?
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Im looking into OCing but I want to do it without dumping a ton on cooling, I WILL BUY BETTER FANS IF THATS WHAT IT TAKES. I think it would make more sense blowing out the side of the case if I had 2 fans I guess, it would just get sucked through the top by the fan on the other end.

OC'ing is good. I was initially skeptical. And now I'm addicted. You decide now which route you want to take: stock slowness or unrelenting addiction. I usually blow the CPU out the rear of the case, but I have better front intake fans. And by better I mean more. So I get air going from front to back. It may just become a trial and error type thing, but here's what I would recommend in terms of cooling:

Stock: 212+, stock fan
Stock to 3.8/3.9GHz: 212+, stock fan in pull, GentleTyphoon in push
3.8/3.9GHz+: 212+ with heavy duty 38mm push fan in a very cool room OR all-in-one water-cooling setup

I'm only a 3.54GHz right now (plan on going higher after I mod my case, get fans, etc. etc. there's always something) and I don't think I top 60C with normal heavy use. And I do lots of encoding, not so much editing anymore.

Like I said though, case fans are just transport system. The 212+ is a great value; it can't be beat for the price you pay. But a heatsink is only as good as its fans 9 times out of 10. I would definitely look into picking up the GentleTyphoon I linked you and ordering it and waiting until they finally get it and ship it. It'll be worth it. I'm waiting for three right now from DirectCanada. Emailed them earlier (believe they're in conjunction with NCIX somehow) and they said that Scythe told them they'd be waiting a few weeks because of some business that went down at their factory.
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Are those cooler master fans able to be fan controlled? What fans and controller should I be buying if I want to keep my budget low? I don't mind running them all 24/7 and cant imagine that many fans with there about 20dBA rating being annoying.

All fans can be controlled. Low budget... the CM fans seem fine. It depends again on the speed of fan you buy. I buy the fastest and have it run fast when I need to. The stock 212+ fan is loud right now for me at 100% with the side of my case open, but I don't recall it being too bad. Still though, it's nice to have quiet when you're not working. It all depends though on the speed/noise levels of your other fans. The R4's seem good for your case.

Keep in mind the Kazemaru 2 140mm fans from Scythe ONLY fit 120mm slots. Annoying, but I made the mistake.

As for other things. I recommend a good thermal paste. IC7 and MX-3 are supposed to be two of the best and they'll make a difference. I've got MX-3 and I love it.

For a fan controller, since you'd really only be concerned with two fans (your push and pull fans on your CPU) you could go with something small like this. These things are all about controlling noise though. If you want everything going full-speed all the time then don't bother.

And sorry for the delay in responding, thought I was subscribed to this post, apparently I wasn't.

EDIT: 20dBA isn't really noticeable. I have a few Scythe SFF21E's as my case fans right now (rated at 20.1dBA) and I can't really tell they're there.
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Once again solid response biggrin.gif, I'm actually getting a Corsair H50 (with paste) now and a Sunbeam Rheosmart 6. I'm leaning on some corsair dominator instead of the OCZ Obsidian.

Edit: Does that fan controller have PWM? I only need to control 4 fans anyways, maybe more if I put one on my side panel, maybe 6 isn't overkill after all?

Edit Edit: I also need a 5.25 controller preferably with PWM as I would need another 5.25" to 3.5" adapter which is a whopping $30 shipped plus the added possibility of adding more fans is awesome!
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Very nice, very nice. Just ordered the Rheosmart myself.

I would probably go G.Skill. Then again, just glancing at prices on NCIX, you can get 6GB of 1600MHz RAM for like $75, which is decent. This G.Skill is the cheapest I've seen, but expires in two days.

I would definitely drop the OCZ though. Never heard good things. And I would go with 12GB if you do all you say you do with memory-intensive programs. You can never have too much and it's dirt cheap.

Same with the fan controllers - having two unused knobs isn't a bad thing at all. You'll probably find you want to add a fan or upgrade and control fans and then you won't have to upgrade the fan controller.

I would also recommend the GentleTyphoon's to cool your H50. They're a high static pressure fan, which means they can still blow air well when met with obstacles and such (like the radiator). They're among the best for static pressure I believe, and they're VERY highly recommended on this board,
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Im not sure how to mount the Rheosmart though, considering I have a tool less bay and read that it will fit short in my case. I have to do some drilling I guess?
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I'm sure there's a way to make it work.

Also, you never answered my question about the purpose of your dual F3's.
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