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To be honest, its pointless. We would have to have our screens next to each other in person. If they are off an inch, results will vary.
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ROFL, your smarter then that I hope... honestly it's not that hard to do. We both stand in the same spot and aim at an objective.... Come on bro, you really think it's gonna make that much of a difference just a little bit off of each other, it wont make but 2-5fps of a difference.
Just so you dont edit anything.

It's funny actually, I was having 20fps swings just standing in one spot and certain spots.
Edited by Blacklac - 3/16/11 at 12:15am
    
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Skepticism FTW, he has showed me a sketchy comparison not really "Proven", close but Im pretty damn sure its not the same.
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run a few game benchmarks, eg. Far Cry 2, DiRT2, AVP, etc. Do like 3 runs of each with each setup, compare the averages.

that'll be the end of it.
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Do I dare step in to this, shiz?
lol, sup buddy. Man I'm not sure if you should or not lol. I think I've got this battle taken care of on my own. Although I may have you come over to vouch for what you see is accurate, but you have a low post count here so your word means nothing lol... I've already been called a troll user and been accused of having multiple accounts since Ive only got 170 posts since 2k6 lol. When's the next LAN?

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as for the OP

What you are pretty much going to have to do to get people to believe that everything is perfectly fine and setup between the two systems are this...

Record a video, in this video it must contain the bios of each system and how it's Overclock is setup. This means each individual screen with a nice long look at the details. CPU Voltages/Frequencies, RAM Voltages/Frequencies, and Motherboard Settings/Frequencies. A shot of the actual equipment while it is in the computer and have both games running at the same time. While these games are running you will hvae to join the same map on the same team and then record footage you both you standing in the same spot. so we can see the FPS in real-time.

NOW even with that there are still going to be people who will say something is wrong, but by doing so maybe someone will spot what exactly "could" be wrong with the Q setup and get it fixed for you.
Thnx, man... I'll be posting up a video tonight.

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Can you guys not seriously see what is wrong with these results?

HE IS USING TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS!!! For a fair test all variables must be kept the same.....ram (his sandy bridge system has 4gb ram vs 2.5 gb on the c2q), mobo, harddrive, software.

But ofcouse this is not possible with the RAM or MOBO as the sandybridge uses a different socket. You dont know whether the Ram or mobo made the change.
WTH are you talking about man? I shouldn't even take the time to reply to your absurd comments, but I will anyway since it's a slow day at work.

I don't have just a single system here and I'm not just swapping out parts back and forth lol... I had (2) 9x50/5870 systems in the same room, one was upgraded to a SB, new mobo/memory/CPU. Prior to this upgrade both machines were performing exactly the same.

Both systems have 4gb of memory installed. The Q9650 system has (2) HD's with (2) separate installs of windows, 64 bit and 32 bit... I've got BC2 installed on both OS versions. 32bit see's 2.75gb and 64bit see's a full 4.00gb. I've got (2) separate installs specifically to run tests between each other. There is no benefit or increase in FPS going from 32bit to 64bit in BC2 regardless that the usable amount of memory has changed, BC2 doesn't utilize it.

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Results from my QX9650/CFX system, max settings.
When I get time I'll run the same map on my SB system.

Results will not be that accurate, but still better then nothing, just too many variables in multiplayer, you need to have both systems at the same time loaded into the same server and position both players in the same location looking at the same thing In the manner of which I've done it. But ty anyways for the results, something is better then nothing. I appreciate the info.

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Here's how pointless this comparison is, even if you got another person to stand in the same spot. I will compare my own screenshots. The previous one vs this one. Notice the slight difference in where the 2 are looking/standing. Its very slight. According to teh OP, that should not make any difference. No wait, he said 2-5fps.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...2-43-42-00.jpg

Here's the kicker. The picture above is only at 3.25Ghz... Pointless comparison.

Edit: to make it easier - Below is my system @ 3.7Ghz

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...2-19-36-63.jpg

Maybe if I put my E6600 Dual Core in, I could match the OP's 100Fps in that spot!!
That gtx560 @ 1000mhz that you have is a beast. I'm thinking about going down to Fry's and picking one up to do some tests with it.

Pointless comparison is correct, In the 2 screenshots you posted above your not anywhere close to the same position, you at least 15-20 side steps over.... When I did my tests I had both players stand right next to each other not 18 steps away from each other and I pressed the screenshot button at the same time. The way that you are doing it by taking a SS leaving the game adjusting clock speeds, coming back into a server at a different time and standing 18ft from where you were standing is completely not consistent my man.

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run a few game benchmarks, eg. Far Cry 2, DiRT2, AVP, etc. Do like 3 runs of each with each setup, compare the averages.

that'll be the end of it.
I'd do other games, but I'd only see a very small FPS increase between the Q9650/2500k. Not many games yield near this much difference as what BC2 does.
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Pointless comparison is correct, In the 2 screenshots you posted above your not anywhere close to the same position, you at least 15-20 side steps over.... When I did my tests I had both players stand right next to each other not 18 steps away from each other and I pressed the screenshot button at the same time. The way that you are doing it by taking a SS leaving the game adjusting clock speeds, coming back into a server at a different time and standing 18ft from where you were standing is completely not consistent my man.
I agree, in one set on screenshots, they were standing a few feet away, but the one in front on the rock, they are next to each other. That doesn't change the fact that your FPS swings constantly. You will never get an accurate gauge this way. Your screenshots are not in the exact same spot, nor are they looking at the exact same location.

It makes no difference if I left the server, and downclocked my CPU and rejoined. They were both full 32 person servers on the same map.

You are reaching now...
    
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i dont see how thats posssible, because with my Q9550, my 470 is pegged at 99% usage.
 
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i dont see how thats posssible, because with my Q9550, my 470 is pegged at 99% usage.
I can also have my 5870 pegged at 99% GPU usage, on the Q9650/5870 setup if I max out the AA the GPU usage is goes up to 99%, if I run lower levels of AA I get less GPU usage, it rarely hits 60% that's the lowest if your standing in a non graphic demanding location where no action is going on with 2xAA...

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Results will not be that accurate, but still better then nothing, just too many variables in multiplayer, you need to have both systems at the same time loaded into the same server and position both players in the same location looking at the same thing In the manner of which I've done it.
what if you are both in the same 32m server and are both standing in the same location
using the exact same settings and looking in the same direction at the same thing
but you have a cup of coffee on your desk and he has can of coke?

will your SB setup still get twice as many fps as his c2q setup?

or what if someone in the 32m server decides to make a phone call
to someone in a 24m server to borrow a cow,while your taking a sip
of your coffee and the c2q guy is chugging his coke?

you see how ridiculous what i just typed sounds?

thats how i felt after reading this pointless thread
    
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I can also have my 5870 pegged at 99% GPU usage, on the Q9650/5870 setup if I max out the AA the GPU usage is goes up to 99%, if I run lower levels of AA I get less GPU usage, it rarely hits 60% that's the lowest if your standing in a non graphic demanding location where no action is going on with 2xAA...
That sounds like a game just not needing as much gpu power cause the settings are low..

Definately has nothing to do with a bottleneck...


If you lower resolutions and AA/AF then you are not utilizing your hardware..
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It's extremely rare for me to read through an entire 22 page thread, however there are the occasions where I must endure such just so I can make an educated response.

You are ignorant, to put it lightly. Consistantly stating that a 5870 is more powerful than a 570 in this game and that your FPS doubled at a resolution that people haven't gamed on since 05'. Who honestly cares about the fact that you can get 200 frames a second at 800x600 on the lowest possible settings? Congrats. If you want to see what your processor can do, do a rendering simulation test or something. Also note that a Phenom II of the 9x5 series at 4GHz is equal to the Q9650 that you have. In fact, the Phenom II 965 was the counter to the Q9650. So stating what you have already should mean that a 965 at 4GHz would hit the same low FPS that your Q9650 has @ 4Ghz.

I'm fairly certain that a stable Phenom II @ 4GHz would manage decently higher frames.

Now would you mind posting benches at resolutions that people play at for both machines with the same ram amount, same 64-bit OS, with only that program installed? It's the only way to actually show what kind of gains that CPU gives if both areas are exactly the same. Or better yet, show several games at several different resolutions of both processors at stock and then both at 4GHz. It's the only way to be sure.

Last thing though, I can't get around how you think that a Q9650 @ 4GHz would bottleneck a 5870. I mean, a GTX 295 is slightly better than the 5870, barely though, and my old Phenom II 940 @ 3.6GHz was NOT a bottleneck for such a GPU in any game.
     
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