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Let me break it down for you since it looks like you didn't capture everything from quickly browsing this thread...

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Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post
You are ignorant, to put it lightly. Consistantly stating that a 5870 is more powerful than a 570 in this game
I've already answered this...
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Originally Posted by SHiZNiLTi View Post
Depends on the graphics settings... lower settings(everything highest but, low shadows, 2xAA, DX10) the 5870 performed better then the 570. The 5870 had a higher peak fps, but the 570 dominated with being able to run such high levels of 32xAA, where the 5870 has a harder time running anything past 4x AA, you would see GPU usage peak and performance get effected. I didn't see much of a difference between the 2 cards so stuck with the 5870 since it was only $200 and the 570 was $370 at the time. I figured the 570 was being bottlenecked by my Q9650, man I wish I still had that card to test in the 2500k, it would blow away the 5870.
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And that your FPS doubled at a resolution that people haven't gamed on since 05'. Who honestly cares about the fact that you can get 200 frames a second at 800x600 on the lowest possible settings? Congrats. If you want to see what your processor can do, do a rendering simulation test or something.
All screenshots have been labeled correctly, there's a large set of screenshots at 1600x1200 and another set at 1024x768 both sets have been resized down to 800x600.

1600x1200
4xAA, 16xAF
DX11 All Settings on Highest
Vsync off, HBAO off, Bloom off, fov=95
Full 32 person server

and

1024x768
noAA, noAF
DX11, lowest graphic settings
Vsync off, HBAO off, Bloom off, fov=95
Full 32 person server

Obviously the 1600x1200 setting are the normal settings I use to game with.

The point to benchmark the game at a lowest settings 1024x768 is to put more focus onto the CPU, this is common knowledge amongst overclockers that know what they are doing, just look at the 3dmark CPU tests, they run at ultra low resolution. Here's some info...

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=493

"I have to ask "Do you know that CPU benchmark are always done with low resolution?".

Why? In order to eliminate the GFX bottleneck at high resolution!

In fact, the higher the resolution you are at, the lower the impact from CPU.

Hence, it is best to compare the gaming performance between CPUs at low resolution."


"Both CPU and GPUs work harder at higher resolution than at lower resolution.

However, GPUs are far more dependent on the resolution than CPUs.

So yep, CPU bottlenecks can be sniffed out using lower resolutions and a powerful gaming GPU. "


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Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post
Also note that a Phenom II of the 9x5 series at 4GHz is equal to the Q9650 that you have. In fact, the Phenom II 965 was the counter to the Q9650. So stating what you have already should mean that a 965 at 4GHz would hit the same low FPS that your Q9650 has @ 4Ghz.
Thanks for the info on the Phenom II 965, if any users are out there with a Phenom II 965 and a 5870 lets get together and do some testing and comparison.


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Now would you mind posting benches at resolutions that people play at for both machines with the same ram amount, same 64-bit OS, with only that program installed? It's the only way to actually show what kind of gains that CPU gives if both areas are exactly the same. Or better yet, show several games at several different resolutions of both processors at stock and then both at 4GHz. It's the only way to be sure.
I'm working on making a video that will show this, the BC2 version should be up tonight.
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In fact, the higher the resolution you are at, the lower the impact from CPU.
There you have it, all summed up in one sentence..

If you game at 800x600 on a 5870 you need to buy an i7-2600k and clock it to 4.5 in order to eliminate the cpu bottleneck...

However, at 1680x1050 and up with AA and AF on, the 775 C2Q at 4.0 will do just fine...


Make sense to everyone now???




I love this thread....
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I don't think BC2 can give an accurate comparison unless you're testing in single-player so it's at least somewhat consistent. A game or two with scriptable/repeatable benchmarks is what you need.
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Hahaha love how OP has changed the thread title..

I guess that he has seen that he was way off with claiming a 2x better FPS on 2500k comparing to the Q9650..

And now he is talking about how at low res 1024 x 768 and lowest graphic settings a 2500K is much better cpu..

Also he is quoting a guy from techarp.com how that is the right way to bench a CPU.

But OP falils to acknowledge that a simple snap shot of a game with a FRAPS running is not being acknowledged as a valid testing method or a proof anywhere on the net,well maybe on a [H] forum ..

EPIC FAIL..

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What needs to be done is going to be posted in the other thread soon I hope..

A guy is upgrading from a 9650 to a 2500k and benched a bunch of games at 3.8 with the 9650, he is going to bench all the same at 3.8 with the 2500k...

That will end all of this fun....


After that anyone running a 2500k/2600k at anything less then 4.4 should be dragged out back and beaten with a stick...
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Haters gonna hate..

The GPU usage screen shots alone proves that the 2500k simply hammers the Q9650.

In games that are heavily CPU bottlenecked ( Like BC2 is ) you'll see a massive gain from Sandy Bridge.

I find it funny that even with screen shots people still come up with lame ass excuses to defend there old hardware.

Look at the 1024x768 results, Were's the 60fps V-Sync cap people are blaming?

This forum is becoming more and more filled with fan boy noobs
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I just finished reading this complete thread.

I seriously doubt that a Core 2 Quad would limit any GPU out today. These CPUs are still extremely powerful by all accounts.

I used to own a Q9550 before my SB system, I know what I'm saying.

I have a 2600k and I know that the difference in gaming can't be that high.

In fact, back when BC2 was released, Core 2 Quad was the fastest CPU on this game. Beating everything, including the i7.

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Haters gonna hate..
......
This forum is becoming more and more filled with fan boy noobs

So you are saying that a 2500k vs a 9650 clock for clock with the same gpu will by 2x faster??

Cause thats what the true, unedited OP said....

Original title was "From 60FPS to 120FPS in BC2"


Sorry, cant seem to believe it......


GPU usage is going to go by game and game settings...

If I run NFS right now my GPU runs at about 60% use... That means my 950 @ 4.24 is bottlenecking my GPU???


Nope, means the game is either coded bad or not configured correctly..

Crank up AA & AF, set everything to HIGH and put resolution at 1680x1050 or higher and show me the CPU + GPU usage...
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Hahaha love how OP has changed the thread title..

I guess that he has seen that he was way off with claiming a 2x better FPS on 2500k comparing to the Q9650..

And now he is talking about how at low res 1024 x 768 and lowest graphic settings a 2500K is much better cpu..

Also he is quoting a guy from techarp.com how that is the right way to bench a CPU.

But OP falils to acknowledge that a simple snap shot of a game with a FRAPS running is not being acknowledged as a valid testing method or a proof anywhere on the net,well maybe on a [H] forum ..

EPIC FAIL..

CHEERS..
You need to shut it man, your getting very annoying.

I renamed it so people quit with the quick post of saying "oh oh oh, its vsync" and so people don't think I get a constant double the fps, sometimes it's only a 30% gain in performance, it varies as you can see in the screenshots I posted.

Also I had to explain to you people what the point was of testing the game at 1024x768. Which I did in a very clear manor.

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What needs to be done is going to be posted in the other thread soon I hope..

A guy is upgrading from a 9650 to a 2500k and benched a bunch of games at 3.8 with the 9650, he is going to bench all the same at 3.8 with the 2500k...

That will end all of this fun....

After that anyone running a 2500k/2600k at anything less then 4.4 should be dragged out back and beaten with a stick...
LOL, Speaking of beat with stick, this video came to mind, hilarious bully beat down...

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@OP

Since you have enough time to make a video that you believe will support your findings, I suggest that you also run the same settings on both rigs, in single player. Regardless of how many times you attempt to do the same things in a 32 player map, your just not going to achieve reliable results, there are too many variables, and its not a controlled test.

If there really is a great difference between the two rigs at the same settings with the same GPU, it should also show up in the single player benchmark.
Edited by Mattb2e - 3/16/11 at 1:50pm
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