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They are listed. top right for the base price, or click customize (which you should) and it will show you the options and prices.

Money for performance and quality, sager wins pretty much every time, only real exception is if another laptop is on sale/recert/used or something.
I was looking at the Clevo site since I can't find any on that site that are 13 or 14in. Does Sager make any 13 or 14in laptops? I don't want to get anything larger than that.
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The number of cells is only relevant if comparing laptops which utilize cells of the same size and capacity.



The TDP rating of the core2duo is for a CPU only. The i3/i5 series TDP rating should include the power consumption of the on-chip GPU. Keep that in mind when comparing TDP ratings (you have to account for the power consumption of the GPU on the core2duo system).

Maximizing the available use of your battery life is a balancing act of having enough CPU power to accomplish your tasks without being slowed down and waiting for the machine to catch up, which wastes power by having the rest of the machine still running (monitor/mobo/hd), while you accomplish nothing waiting on the nice efficient CPU.

The i3-380UM has a maximum TDP rating of 18W, has the ability to clock down it's GPU to save power, and performs roughly on par with the older SL series (~1.8-2GHZ low power core2duos) which were rated 17W TDP (without the on-chip GPU). The on-chip intel HD graphics are supposed to be faster than previous generation GMA4500 chips. This i3 also supports hyper-threading, which can be beneficial in modern computing environments.

The Core i5-4XXUM/5XXUM series CPUs are very similar to the i3-3XXUM as far as maximum TDP and capabilities, (including hyperthreading), however, it has turbo-boost, which can hit speeds on a single core in the ~1.7-2.2GHZ range (depending on specific model), which would make a considerable difference in less heavily threaded operations, which would actually make better use of your available battery life by helping you get things done faster with the basically the same power consumption.

If I were in the market for a power-consumption friendly laptop, I would be looking at the i5UM series CPUs. The Core2Duo is dated by comparison.



With this in mind, and considering your demand for better runtime, I don't see a reason for a dedicated GPU. The GPU in the "i" series should be a slight step up from the previous generation GMA4500 type stuff anyways, and should provide adequate performance for everyday tasks.

Eric
What would you suggest for GPU. Something nVidia would probably be best since I will dual boot Fedora. From looking around, it doesn't seem that I can get a much better GPU for around $850-900 in a 13-14in.
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Not sure if you are interested in an even smaller screen size...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834215017

Only 3LBS and rated for 8 hours runtime.

Eric
13-14in seems like a good size, I found 12in to be a little too small for my tastes (and less resolution), I don't think I would want to go that small.
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Hello mortimersnerd,

I honestly don't see a need for any GPU above and beyond the intel HD. As I understand, Linux should work just fine with intel HD graphics:
http://intellinuxgraphics.org/

The only reason for a dedicated GPU with more power in a laptop is if you play demanding games or use programs that heavily benefit from GPU accelerated tasks, of which there are very few programs that do, especially in linux.

For many years, Nvidia has been known as the go-to GPU for linux users since the driver quality has generally been better. However, I think that the advantage may be fading somewhat in recent years. I know people on linux on both sides of the GPU isle and it's working fine.

The following websites might help you get a better feel for how different GPUs stack up:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...rd,2857-7.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_gpu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ocessing_units

For typical laptop resolutions, if I needed a decent GPU for gaming or something like that, I wouldn't want an nvidia with less than 48 cores, or an AMD with less than the 160 stream processor configuration. The cards available below those points aren't faster than the integrated GPU by a large enough margin to be worth owning IMO. If you intend on hooking up an external monitor with more resolution to play games or something of that nature, then you should double those minimum core numbers and make sure it's DDR5 based.

This is all a moot point unless you actually have a way to utilize the GPU. My Wife gets by just fine on integrated intel HD on her i3 and wouldn't even know the difference.

Eric
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Sager offers this: http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.p...el_name=NP3101

But i'm not going to recommend it because it seems so weak compared to the np5160 (15.6" sandybridge +540m optimus @ $780) Which if you can budge on the screen size, is what I'd recommend.
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I'd go with a 13in but a 15in is too bulky for caring around everywhere.
I loled. Wanna know what a bulky laptop is? Look up my Toshiba Qosmio. 15" laptops are glorious by comparison to the monstrosity I have. ^^
     
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Hello mortimersnerd,

I honestly don't see a need for any GPU above and beyond the intel HD. As I understand, Linux should work just fine with intel HD graphics:
http://intellinuxgraphics.org/

The only reason for a dedicated GPU with more power in a laptop is if you play demanding games or use programs that heavily benefit from GPU accelerated tasks, of which there are very few programs that do, especially in linux.

For many years, Nvidia has been known as the go-to GPU for linux users since the driver quality has generally been better. However, I think that the advantage may be fading somewhat in recent years. I know people on linux on both sides of the GPU isle and it's working fine.

The following websites might help you get a better feel for how different GPUs stack up:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...rd,2857-7.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_gpu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ocessing_units

For typical laptop resolutions, if I needed a decent GPU for gaming or something like that, I wouldn't want an nvidia with less than 48 cores, or an AMD with less than the 160 stream processor configuration. The cards available below those points aren't faster than the integrated GPU by a large enough margin to be worth owning IMO. If you intend on hooking up an external monitor with more resolution to play games or something of that nature, then you should double those minimum core numbers and make sure it's DDR5 based.

This is all a moot point unless you actually have a way to utilize the GPU. My Wife gets by just fine on integrated intel HD on her i3 and wouldn't even know the difference.

Eric
Theres two programs that I use that need a little extra GPU power. First one is UGS NX. It is a CPU intensive program but really lags with onboard graphics. The second is Adobe Lightroom which is painful on integrated. Those are the only two programs I boot into Windows for now. With ATI vs nVidia for drivers, unless they have gotten better since the 4870 I had, I'm going to stick with nVidia.
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Sager offers this: http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.p...el_name=NP3101

But i'm not going to recommend it because it seems so weak compared to the np5160 (15.6" sandybridge +540m optimus @ $780) Which if you can budge on the screen size, is what I'd recommend.
Its a shame they don't make any 13in with discrete graphics. I did see this model but can't seem to find any more info on it: http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/...?productid=309

I'd really like to not go above a 14.1" but I may have to.
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If your still looking I would take a look at Lenovo.
Through there friends and family portal (open to everyone), there prices become extremely reasonable:
http://shoplenovo.i2.com/SEUILibrary...y=lenovofamily

I currently have an x201t and have owned an x200, x200t, and t400 in the past. All solid machines with amazing build quality.

The T410/T420 seems to fit the bill for what you want.
    
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yeah, old thread but if you are still looking i'm selling a great 13" with discrete ati graphics.
    
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Im an idiot, i thought this was April 15th for some reason, Not march. my bad you probably got something already
    
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