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Pretty well? In an idealistic free market, because the consumer is unhappy with the service being provided, consumption of the said service would decrease and competitive forces would mean a better one is developed. Now all you have to do is not use the internet for a few years and let AT&T go out of business
Never let reality get in the way of an ideal, hmm?..
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I'm sure that Americans could somehow successfully argue that implementing caps restricts your access to information and by extension your freedom of speech.



I'm not sure when people started measuring a country's size by its population.

"Hey dude, China is 1 billion people big!"
Comparing the size of the population is not the same as comparing the size of the country.

And its the people's fault that the government can't regulate anything. People are more afraid of the government than of corporations, although they should be more afraid of the latter.
I like that. Good thinking, I will be sure to add that to my list. So very sad hhow big ATT has gotten in recent years. I have no other choice for internet in my area
So its either get raped by corporate greed or no internet at all. What a choice...what happened to the market system? As iv asked before how can this even be legal? They are already overcharging for their extremely poor quality internet service. Now they want to take away services that I pay for like netflix and XBL. How will netflix take this? How will online venders that rely on internet connections for sales take this? In a sense ATT is really killing a lot of potential customers for online venders such as netflix. 4-5GB per netflix show. Think about that. Im not the only one that lives here other people utilize my netflix subscription as well. What if I buy a game on steam? Now I just downloaded a 15GB game, there goes 10% of my monthly allotted download. Where does it end? Truly sickening....
post #173 of 275
how about just boycotting att lol
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how about just boycotting att lol
That would work so well except for 1 minor detail...ATT is a HUGE ISP player. Many ISP redistributers get their network from ATT. So guess what happens to their service as well? Also for many people just like myself...ATT is their and my only choice for internet.
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Canada's government did not force bell to implement caps, Bell lobbied the Canadian government and as soon as they got their wish they implemented the caps.
Bell has had caps for a while now. The recent issue was the CRTC was allowing them to charge smaller ISPs by the gigabyte, effectively making smaller ISPs be forced to implement caps as Bell has been for a while. Enough people got pissed off that the government took notice and told the CRTC to re-evaluate its decision. I'm hoping they come to the same decision so the government can get rid of the useless twits in the CRTC.

Assuming that you have similar laws concerning the way big ISPs can charge the smaller ones (ie. not by gigabyte), then it will only affect AT&T customers, and people with independent ISPs will be fine.
    
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with netflix movies taking about 1.8GB of data for SD and 3GB for HD, I would kill that limit in a week. 150GB is ridiculously low too. especially since a 10Mbps connection could theoretically pull 2.6 TB of data in an average month
    
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Bell has had caps for a while now. The recent issue was the CRTC was allowing them to charge smaller ISPs by the gigabyte, effectively making smaller ISPs be forced to implement caps as Bell has been for a while. Enough people got pissed off that the government took notice and told the CRTC to re-evaluate its decision. I'm hoping they come to the same decision so the government can get rid of the useless twits in the CRTC.

Assuming that you have similar laws concerning the way big ISPs can charge the smaller ones (ie. not by gigabyte), then it will only affect AT&T customers, and people with independent ISPs will be fine.
ONLY affecting ATT customers is still a very large number of people....

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with netflix movies taking about 1.8GB of data for SD and 3GB for HD, I would kill that limit in a week. 150GB is ridiculously low too. especially since a 10Mbps connection could theoretically pull 2.6 TB of data in an average month
Exactly my point. I use netflix daily and so do other people here. Plus XBL, gaming, forums, online classes for college etc.
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Bell has had caps for a while now. The recent issue was the CRTC was allowing them to charge smaller ISPs by the gigabyte, effectively making smaller ISPs be forced to implement caps as Bell has been for a while. Enough people got pissed off that the government took notice and told the CRTC to re-evaluate its decision. I'm hoping they come to the same decision so the government can get rid of the useless twits in the CRTC.

Assuming that you have similar laws concerning the way big ISPs can charge the smaller ones (ie. not by gigabyte), then it will only affect AT&T customers, and people with independent ISPs will be fine.
The USA Had a set of regulations Back in the 90's that required ISP's to sell out their last mile services to smaller companies competing over consumers, designed to keep prices low.

What did the ISP's do? They sued the government (and paid them off) until it was repealed.

now there is almost no competition between ISP's because the laws allow them total control over any area they occupy. where i live, Qwest has a monopoly, and the maximum speed i can get is 1.5Mbits/s, and qwest won't upgrade their stuff in our area because there is nothing there competing against it.

each provider has their own Monopolies on different areas of land, allowing them to charge whatever the heck they want without using that money to upgrade their system.

Most of the other developed nations that have better service and prices use regulations similar to those that were repealed in the US, Meaning Competition is everywhere....... If that isn't Corporate Greed and Corruption at its finest, I don't know what is.


I'll tell you all something else, this all has to do with control and net neutrality. AT&T Puts caps on to restrict people from using netflix, THEN turns around and says that its own crappy streaming service does not count towards your capped data usage......... same with comcast....
Edited by Nemesis158 - 3/14/11 at 1:58pm
post #179 of 275
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The USA Had a set of regulations Back in the 90's that required ISP's to sell out their last mile services to smaller companies competing over consumers, designed to keep prices low.

What did the ISP's do? They sued the government (and paid them off) until it was repealed.

now there is almost no competition between ISP's because the laws allow them total control over any area they occupy. where i live, Qwest has a monopoly, and the maximum speed i can get is 1.5Mbits/s, and qwest won't upgrade their stuff in our area because there is nothing there competing against it.

each provider has their own Monopolies on different areas of land, allowing them to charge whatever the heck they want without using that money to upgrade their system.

Most of the other developed nations that have better service and prices use regulations similar to those that were repealed in the US, Meaning Competition is everywhere....... If that isn't Corporate Greed and Corruption at its finest, I don't know what is.
Yep yep yep. Very good points. Same exact situation here except replace Quest with ATT and constant ping spikes.
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Guess its time to switch to the local cable companies 15/2 for double the price of my current 6/756k.
Began searching for the article i mentioned below while typing the post.
While typing this, I recalled on the companies website they were bragging about never implementing bandwidth caps.

While searching for that news post, i found out they cap their service to 7GB / pay, and 200gb a month. Then they throttle. So, both ISP's in my area are now capping usage... Hell, 7 Gigs would be used by a single game, or 1-2 movies using netflix.

Thanks for the heads up about ATT, I was already thinking of switching to the local cable.. But I would rather live with 150gb a month than 7gb a day. I do realize that 150 a month is about 5GB per day. Still, I would rather choose how much i can use in a day. Considering that going over 7gb in a day will get you a 3 day throttle at 30kb.

Avoid Broadstripe.

I do believe its time to leave Michigan.
Edited by cappy - 3/14/11 at 2:07pm
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