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wait a minute !!!!!!!!
the g6950 is like 80€ and the i3 530/540 is at 100€
its better buy the i3 rather that unlock card
     
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Inaccurate... AMD also locks down perfectly functioning CPUs to fill market niches. This is especially true when yields increase as manufacturing gets better.
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That's not the whole truth. AMD is locking cores which are defective and also not defective. If AMD only locked defective cores, then unlocked cores would never work right.
Hence the tern 'generally'. You've targeted a market sector by issuing lesser performing product with disabled defective features. While you may run out of stock of truly partially defective chips, there is still demand in your product line. Instead of going 'out of stock' and forcing people to pay for higher priced models you can retain customers on the lower price point by maintaining your existing product line.

You don't see AMD selling 'ACC Unlocking' as an extra profitable venue?
If they were of the same mindset as Intel, ACC unlocking would both not exist and not function as it does.
Edited by beers - 3/14/11 at 4:12am
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There is a difference between locking down, or laser cutting more specifically, processors for lower end markets, and charging for performance you should already have.
You do realize your Athlon II X4 635 has a locked multiplier?


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Hence the tern 'generally'. You've targeted a market sector by issuing lesser performing product with locked/defective features. While you may run out of stock of truly partially defective chips, there is still demand in your product line. Instead of going 'out of stock' and forcing people to pay for higher priced models you can retain customers on the lower price point by maintaining your existing.

You don't see AMD selling 'ACC Unlocking' as an extra profitable venue?
If they were of the same mindset as Intel, ACC unlocking would both not exist and not function as it does.
However, most tri-cores are perfectly usable quads.... so generally, they are just artificially locked.

If AMD was in the same performance position as Intel..... things would be different.
Edited by DuckieHo - 3/14/11 at 4:13am
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There is a difference between locking down, or laser cutting more specifically, processors for lower end markets, and charging for performance you should already have.
How do you distinguish what you should already have from what's being locked for lower markets? Software locking is for the same reason as hardware locking, it just provides the opportunity to get it back, and unlike unlocking AMD cores, it's guaranteed to work since they are not defective.
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You do realize your Athlon II X4 635 has a locked multiplier?



However, most tri-cores are perfectly usable quads.... so generally, they are just artificially locked.

If AMD was in the same performance position as Intel..... things would be different.
Yes I do, I also know that some revisions of this CPU have L3 cache to unlock. Mine doesn't, sadly. This board and CPU I bought to upgrade from 775, and to be my filler before bulldozer.

You can still overclock and improve performance without an unlocked multiplier. However, I don't see AMD charging extra for CPU's with unlocked multipliers, their high-end ones are like that "naturally"

On the flip side, want an intel CPU with an unlocked multiplier? QX series and K series, and see the price increases (even if small)

Haven't owned a tri-core, and you're right, most of them are usable quads, but some aren't.

And how do you know for certain what AMD would in Intel's position? We don't, and can't, know until they are in that position. Of course we can guess and assume until the cows come home.

I do NOT want to turn this into an AMD vs. Intel thread/debate/flamewar, but I'm not going to give money to a company that sees locking down CPU's and charging extra to unlock cache/HT on them. All you need to unlock an AMD cpu is a motherboard with ACC/UCC. With an Intel you'll need a $50 upgrade card or a K-edition CPU.

Also, the K-edition CPU's and for the record, AMD CPU's with unlocked multipliers don't have extra cache to unlock do they...
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Yes I do, I also know that some revisions of this CPU have L3 cache to unlock. Mine doesn't, sadly. This board and CPU I bought to upgrade from 775, and to be my filler before bulldozer.

You can still overclock and improve performance without an unlocked multiplier. However, I don't see AMD charging extra for CPU's with unlocked multipliers, their high-end ones are like that "naturally"

On the flip side, want an intel CPU with an unlocked multiplier? QX series and K series, and see the price increases (even if small)

Haven't owned a tri-core, and you're right, most of them are usable quads, but some aren't.

And how do you know for certain what AMD would in Intel's position? We don't, and can't, know until they are in that position. Of course we can guess and assume until the cows come home.

I do NOT want to turn this into an AMD vs. Intel thread/debate/flamewar, but I'm not going to give money to a company that sees locking down CPU's and charging extra to unlock cache/HT on them. All you need to unlock an AMD cpu is a motherboard with ACC/UCC. With an Intel you'll need a $50 upgrade card or a K-edition CPU.

Also, the K-edition CPU's and for the record, AMD CPU's with unlocked multipliers don't have extra cache to unlock do they...
This all comes down to brand power - at the end of the day if a company can charge to "upgrade" your exsisting hardware and people are willing to pay, they will do it.

To be fair I dont know if intel are charging the same for the locked pentium compared to the unlocked pentium.

Without this information I cant judge if Intel being greedy or not?

I suggest if the locked pentium is cheaper then it seems OK to charge to upgrade (Note the upgrade will still be within the warranty covered by Intel, where as AMD dont cover the unlocking of X2, X3 to X4)
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There is a difference between locking down, or laser cutting more specifically, processors for lower end markets, and charging for performance you should already have.
I disagree. You should NOT already have a maximum performance processor. Why? because you did not pay for it. No one owes you a free unlock code. No one is stopping you from unlocking the processor by yourself, if you can figure out how.

On the other hand ...
You should be THANKFUL that Intel/AMD/Nvidia even bothers to sell "partially disabled" processors at a much lower cost than a fully enabled processor.

For example:

If Nvidia only sold fully-functional Fermi cards, then there would only be GTX 580's. No 570/560/480/470/460.

If selling "partially disabled" processors ever becomes illegal, then, it's very possible, companies may only sell a few top-end processors ... and because of decreased sales, prices will probably increase to maintain profits.

-Andrew Ryan
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-Andrew Ryan
Completely off-topic post incoming.

Is your name really Andrew Ryan?
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That's all good 'cause they won't be getting my money.
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Is your name really Andrew Ryan?
No. It's only a joke for Bioshock fans. Everything else I wrote is correct (as far as I know).
     
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