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Run 3dmark Vantage both overclocked and stock. What are you doing though that makes you think your gpu performance is getting negative scaling when you are overclocking?
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Run 3dmark Vantage both overclocked and stock. What are you doing though that makes you think your gpu performance is getting negative scaling when you are overclocking?
Are you for real dude? Did you even see OP's PSU?

Please, get a new PSU and be done with it. If you wanna blow up your system, then fine, keep your PSU. But don't come here and ask for help afterwards, you've been warned.
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Are you for real dude? Did you even see OP's PSU?

Please, get a new PSU and be done with it. If you wanna blow up your system, then fine, keep your PSU. But don't come here and ask for help afterwards, you've been warned.

Before I answer you I must ask if you think his PSU is causing gpu performance degradation?
post #24 of 33
well LC is the brand that you need to avoid for psu. common problem if psu sux ball-Instability or crashes due to power sags, or a better case scenario would be the video card throttling. Extreme cases would be no picture at all
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He should ignore what I said in favor of your opinion due to my choice of words?
It's called sarcasm. No one likes it when they pour their heart and soul into helping someone only to have someone else say "Don't listen to these fellas". It's rude, ok? So don't do it! Just make your contribution and be done with it! Let your contribution speak for itself! If you can't do that, then find a different thread!

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Since you openly admitted you had no experience in the advice you were giving him to fix the problem I'd say you are more damaging than my word usage.
What I said was that I had no personal experience with what I was told. And what I was told was that a slight lack of power can cause lower performance from graphics cards. So that's what I have not yet experienced for myself. However, I am confident that the problems he is experiencing are due to this really old and generic Pentium 4-era power supply with a very weak +12V capacity of 380W.

Do you know which PSU he has? I asked you this before, but you didn't answer me. When I ask someone a question, I am looking for an answer. I try to avoid asking rhetorical questions.

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He could end up replacing something he doesn't need to be replacing as opposed to trying to read with a dialect.

What does my choice of power supply have to do with the information I've provided him? I've had experience with faulty, inadequate power supplies trying to do more work than designed, and you're basing your advice off something you heard somewhere.
Ok fine. Do you want to take this on all by yourself? I can unsubscribe if you think you got this 100% covered. However, if I do then don't forget which power supply he has: it should not be trusted. Would you trust that power supply?


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Before I answer you I must ask if you think his PSU is causing gpu performance degradation?
I would not be the LEAST bit surprised if it is related somehow! After all, when he overclocks, the graphics card performs worse! This even happened when he had the GT 240! So when I say that I think the PSU is the culprit, I mean it.

Although, what do you think it is?
Edited by TwoCables - 3/14/11 at 10:40am
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post #26 of 33
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It's called sarcasm. No one likes it when they pour their heart and soul into helping someone only to have someone else say "Don't listen to these fellas". It's rude, ok? So don't do it! Just make your contribution and be done with it! Let your contribution speak for itself! If you can't do that, then find a different thread!

What I said was that I had no personal experience with what I was told. And what I was told was that a slight lack of power can cause lower performance from graphics cards. So that's what I have not yet experienced for myself. However, I am confident that the problems he is experiencing are due to this really old and generic Pentium 4-era power supply with a very weak +12V capacity of 380W.

Do you know which PSU he has? I asked you this before, but you didn't answer me. When I ask someone a question, I am looking for an answer. I try to avoid asking rhetorical questions.


Ok fine. Do you want to take this on all by yourself? I can unsubscribe if you think you got this 100% covered. However, if I do then don't forget which power supply he has: it should not be trusted. Would you trust that power supply?



I would not be the LEAST bit surprised if it is related somehow! After all, when he overclocks, the graphics card performs worse! This even happened when he had the GT 240! So when I say that I think the PSU is the culprit, I mean it.

Although, what do you think it is?

Drama Queen much? I don't call pouring your heart and soul into something by arbitrarily throwing out advice that you heard from somewhere and passing it off as anything other, or when you tell someone they can't overclock without a better cooler without even actually knowing the cooler they are using. Although you can still overclock reliably on a stock cooler, albeit at a lower frequency.

IF the amperage is anything close to what it's rated at it should be perfectly fine. PSU's normally just shut down. Like I said in my first post, if it's due to power draw on the PSU I will eat my posts. The only time where I've encountered instability was by a motherboard not being able to handle the current draw of several gpu's and it ended up eating a 24pin. Now that caused some bsod's and burning smells. Otherwise, I've just shut down on the spot.

I would like to help this guy other than just throwing out inexperience advise I heard in other places. That is why I'm asking him to run some tests, which haven't been done or at most posted here for us to see. At this point I still predict a placebo.
Edited by JeremiahTheBullfrog - 3/14/11 at 10:57am
post #27 of 33
My E6400 is similar to yours

E6400 @ 3.2 ghz @ 1.35 volts on a P5B Deluxe wifi


I get a respectable 3DMark06 score with a 8800 GTS 12920
http://3dmark.com/3dm06/14904594
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Drama Queen much?
Hey, you're the one who decided to say "Don't listen to these fellas". It's rude, unprofessional, and unnecessary.


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I don't call pouring your heart and soul into something by arbitrarily throwing out advice that you heard from somewhere and passing it off as anything other, or when you tell someone they can't overclock without a better cooler without even actually know the cooler they are using. Although you can still overclock reliably on a stock cooler, albeit at a lower frequency.

IF the amperage is anything close to what it's rated at it should be perfectly fine. PSU's normally just shut down.
Generic PSUs like this one have a history of dying under the stress and killing one or more piece of hardware that are connected to it. Good power supplies simply shut down while generic PSUs like this one are very unpredictable and should never be trusted.


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Like I said in my first post, if it's due to power draw on the PSU I will eat my posts. The only time where I've encountered instability was by a motherboard not being able to handle the current draw of several gpu's and it ended up eating a 24pin. Now that caused some bsod's and burning smells. Otherwise, I've just shut down on the spot.

I would like to help this guy other than just throwing out inexperience advise I heard in other places. That is why I'm asking him to run some tests, which haven't been done or at most posted here for us to see. At this point I still predict a placebo.
Almost 1 week ago now, I started helping someone who couldn't get their overclock stable no matter what they did. They have good aftermarket cooling, they have it installed very well, but they had a generic power supply (however, it was better than this LC unit that Stonos has).

Eventually, a couple of others and I convinced him to get a better PSU. That PSU fixed every last problem he was experiencing and he's now overclocking like the best of us (the rest of his rig is nice). Proof: http://www.overclock.net/12652337-post51.html

I've seen this dozens and dozens of times in addition to that relatively recent event, and so that's why I think it's the PSU. Yes, the motherboard plays a critical role too, but it's not like his motherboard sucks.



Edit: Wait a sec. JeremiahTheBullfrog? I remember you now! You're a troll! If I remember correctly, you are either chatch, or one of his buddies like NCspecV81. Sigh. Why do you still come here?
Edited by TwoCables - 3/14/11 at 11:10am
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post #29 of 33
I'm asking for more information. Just because something is said to happen doesn't mean it does. I need some numbers before I can diagnose what is happening. I don't shoot from the hip and tell him to replace something and hope it sticks.

Overclock instability is bound by more than just one entity and just because you see a weak link doesn't mean it's actually the culprit. Again, I ask for hard, definitive information before telling people to use their hard earned money to replace something. I think that speaks more than going all drama and "heart and soul" by replacing needless things without the definitive need.
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Whatever. Now that I have remembered who you are, I think I'm done treating you like a genuine member. You're not fooling me, man. You're only here to stir up trouble, which I guess is obvious.
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