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So Flash will lose its share, like the shockwave, windows media, real and quicktime players that were dominant once?
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I think they are moving toward HTML5 for a more definite reason, that reason may not be apparent to some, but it's glaringly obvious to me...

They want to be able to run code within the pages for more control over content & user.

HTML5 is nothing more than a curtailed move to lock content on the web, I wonder if it's going to steal information like "Who's clicking me?" whenever you touch anything on the page... I wouldn't doubt it...

I hate to be cynical here, but I tend not to trust changes where the internet is concerned...

This may be one man waving a warning flag, DANGER AHEAD, and not matter how trivial or foolish it may seem, I think we should talk about what IS possible with HTML, obviously being able to run codecs within the browser is pretty freaking powerful no? It leads one to think; "Gee I wonder what else HTML5 will be able to do?"

Will the users of the net be facing more dangerous & intruding malware & advertising now?

I don't know about you guys but I wish someone would file a class action law suit against the internet advertisers for installing & running malicious code & spyware on people...
There is simply no way to deny what these advertisers do, they are malicious and they know it!
You could be right but that still doesn't mean Flash (and maybe Adobe) should not burn in hell.
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So Flash will lose its share, like the shockwave, windows media, real and quicktime players that were dominant once?
Flash is ShockWave.

In fact, flash files have the extension .swf, which stands for ShockWave Flash.
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Flash is ShockWave.

In fact, flash files have the extension .swf, which stands for ShockWave Flash.

Actually Flash Video is saved in the .flv format..
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You could be right but that still doesn't mean Flash (and maybe Adobe) should not burn in hell.
I think Adobe charges way too much for their products, truly, and I could jump on this bandwagon with ease, truly, though, my point is that with this freedom & power that HTML 5 will offer may be abused, and that would be a very bad thing for users..



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So Flash will lose its share, like the shockwave, windows media, real and quicktime players that were dominant once?
Sure, that is evolution. No one dropped support for WMA/WMV or QT - it's still there even though people have moved on. But some of the players do have a hate-on for Flash. Not that Flash is "good", it was never that good to start with, bloated, inefficient, bandwidth robbing - coupled with the fact that so many web site designers used dumb animation to slow down connections and to hide the fact that the site probably had no usable content to start with.

However, sites do use Flash, and I see no reason why browsers should drop support. It's not like dropping Flash will make a cleaner, more efficient, less bloated broswer - they will just replace the emptiness of removing Flash with some other worthless trash that no one will use. I can see bringing out HTML5 in some intelligent manner, like actually come out with an HTLM5 standard, and have everyone implement that and pass all of the compliance tests - then encourage web developers to migrate to it in the longer term.

Otherwise, I can see this as using one bag of hurt instead of another bag of hurt. I'd prefer if websites just dropped goofy graphics and animation - and instead, put some real content in. For example - the best site I have seen is the one for McMaster-Carr - easy, get anywhere in a few steps, clean, doesn't suck back bandwidth, and lots of real, usable content. Worst site, a toss up between the mess that is Sony (where there is some slight content buried deep inside) or the slop that is Duracell (that remains entirely content free)...

Myself, I'd love to see Flash disappear; but I am likely to love HTML5 disappear, since I am loathe to wasting time with stupid, animated web sites that are broken on pretty much any browser to start with.
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Actually Flash Video is saved in the .flv format..
I'm not talking about Flash Video. I'm talking about .swfs, or Flash applications.
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now, see whos talking. Flash is just too inefficient :X
Flash and javascript is inefficient. At least flash has given us such quality. The first few months of HTML5 was absolute garbage in video quality.

I think we should switch to HTML5. This isn't for a reason to side with apple. Apple dropped support for a widely use language that made up the majority of "good" media content on the internet. Removing it as it was a popular language is what apple did wrong, not that the language is bad and ill-supported by adobe. Browsing on the iphone/ipad is lacking because of this.
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Tis a good thing. Bye flash.
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Only now with Adobe's flash to HTML5 converter does it actually seem possible and plausible. Otherwise, it would be completely impossible.
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