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Originally Posted by Kirmie View Post
Time for a social experiment... will multiple people read the title, ignore the article, and then try to compare this to bashing Apple for not supporting Flash even though there is no mention of dropping Flash on FireFox ANYWHERE in the article?

But as commonly know, on OCN many people will read the title and not even glance at the article itself.

Edit: For those too lazy to read the article he says that HTML 5 is the way to go and that Flash causes issues. That's about it. Basically it is just a plug for HTML 5 support.
I'm right there with you.

4 pages of people who don't read more than the title before posting isn't so bad, more knowledge for me.
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post #42 of 70
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Originally Posted by linkin93 View Post
What about flash games...
HTML 5 / WebGL games!!! Ex. http://code.google.com/p/quake2-gwt-port/



I feel that HTML 5 could replace Flash in many cases.
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post #43 of 70
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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post
Time for a social experiment...will all of the people who openly bashed Apple and Steve Jobs for refusing to put Flash on the iPhone/iPad just as strongly decry the much loved Firefox for arguing a very similar position? The hypothesis to be tested is that people were actually just hating on Apple more than defending Flash.
Ha, but the major and important difference is Apple killed off Flash on their devices because of battery concerns (but Apple fanboys are going to see that as "ahead of the curve") and they killed it far too early. Why drop Flash when a hell of a lot of the web still uses it? It'll be a couple of years before we see mass HTML5 proliferation and thus years before we see the end of Flash. Yet Apple dropped the biggest thing on the web last year.

Mozilla are arguing the position but they're not stupid enough to drop support before an alternative is well grounded.

Jog on, Apple.
    
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post #44 of 70
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Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
Ha, but the major and important difference is Apple killed off Flash on their devices because of battery concerns (but Apple fanboys are going to see that as "ahead of the curve") and they killed it far too early. Why drop Flash when a hell of a lot of the web still uses it? It'll be a couple of years before we see mass HTML5 proliferation and thus years before we see the end of Flash. Yet Apple dropped the biggest thing on the web last year.

The battery concerns were unfounded. HTML5 and Flash are just containers. Its the codecs that do all of the work, and those are the same on both. It would be like saying watching videos in iTunes uses less battery than watching them in Media Player.

Apple "killed" Flash because it allowed users to run games for free in a browser rather than pay $5.99 from the App store for the same content. Its all about control. Apple won't support any API that lets users use the phone in ways they don't intend. They were also a little butt-hurt over the lack of quality in the Mac flash player. Up until a few months ago the flash implementation in Android was actually better than the Linux version. If Adobe can step up the quality in their releases (which they have) then there is no reason not to support Flash.



And Firefox hasn't outright banned Flash from Firefox. They are simply expressing their opinion that it should be replaced by HTML5.


I'm with them as far as removing flash from webpage layouts. There is absolutely no reason we need flash ads, flash menus, and entire sites made in flash. Flash is for animation, movies, and games, and I doubt HTML5 will ever replace it in that regard. You aren't going to convince anyone to give up Flash's interactive vector-based editor in favor of hard-coding HTML5 canvas elements.





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post #45 of 70
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Originally Posted by Kand View Post
Who uses Firefox these days anyways?
The only browser I'd ever use? lol nice try bro.
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post #46 of 70
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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post
Time for a social experiment...will all of the people who openly bashed Apple and Steve Jobs for refusing to put Flash on the iPhone/iPad just as strongly decry the much loved Firefox for arguing a very similar position? The hypothesis to be tested is that people were actually just hating on Apple more than defending Flash.
The main difference is that apple didn't seem to care to do much as an alternative to flash, other than saying "tough luck, no flash" rather than figuring out a workaround to still allow users to have flash (or flash-like access to media, for lack of a better term). FF, on the other hand, has supported it with plugins, yet acknowledges the overrated-ness of flash, and the consequent obsolescence of it with the advancement of HTML5.

Besides, it's not like old versions of FF will all of a sudden not support flash.

The social experiment is flawed, though I would agree that lots of people join an apple bash party just for the sake of it.

That being said, unless there is a universally-accepted HTML5 version across browsers (as I understand that versions will vary from browser to browser), flash would be the preferred method for developers, as they will only have to make 1 version and test against 1 platform rather than for 3-5 platforms (for the most popular browsers currently available).
    
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post #47 of 70
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Originally Posted by Kand View Post
Who uses Firefox these days anyways?
non hipsters
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post #48 of 70
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Originally Posted by lordikon View Post
Flash is ShockWave.

In fact, flash files have the extension .swf, which stands for ShockWave Flash.
Actually, Flash and Shockwave are not one in the same:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum104/253.htm

Shockwave is pretty much dead these days, though.
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Originally Posted by Kand View Post
Who uses Firefox these days anyways?
~35% of the world.
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post #50 of 70
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Originally Posted by lordikon View Post
Apple denies putting flash on the iPhone/iPad/iPod because they don't want the competition with their app store.

Firefox isn't doing it for the money, and I guarantee they still support Flash for years, otherwise they will be losing a lot of marketshare.
No it isn't.

They have released several statements saying that it is because Flash is holding back technological advances. Which funnily enough, is why Firefox are pushing HTML5 and AFAIK, they don't have an app store.
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