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Screw Adobe. I want to use my 64 bit browsers, for once. My idea of the perfect browser would be a 64 bit Google Chrome that I could surf Youtube with.
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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post
Time for a social experiment...will all of the people who openly bashed Apple and Steve Jobs for refusing to put Flash on the iPhone/iPad just as strongly decry the much loved Firefox for arguing a very similar position? The hypothesis to be tested is that people were actually just hating on Apple more than defending Flash.
this is a totally different situation, this isn't Mozilla refusing to support Flash or other plugins, this is them saying those plugins are going to fade in irrelevancy because of a superior alternative - HTML5

While Apple/Steve Jobs have said the same thing, they were the ones that refused to support Flash on their devices.
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post #53 of 70
I want my Flash animations >_>

That's all. If that stays I'm fine with it, but if Flash support is completely dropped.

Well then...
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post #54 of 70
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Originally Posted by guyladouche View Post
The social experiment is flawed, though I would agree that lots of people join an apple bash party just for the sake of it.
Yeah it was just for fun, but I got pretty much the response I expected!

Just so everyone knows, yes, I understand and acknowledge that Apple did it primarily to maintain control over the apps on their devices.

I disagree, however, with the notion that Flash is not a problem at all. Flash apps can and do put a huge load on systems comparitively (Mafia Wars used to kill my sig rig, and that's just stupid), which is obviously a drain on battery. You can say "blame the coder, not the tool" all you want...perception is reality, and perception is that it's Flash's fault. A few bad apples have spoiled the bunch...or something. At best, Flash makes it too easy for crappy coders to assault our machines.

There is also the fact that (at least a few months ago, may not be true as I write this, I don't know) that Adobe products were singled out as the #1 vector for malware these days.

As for "killing it too early"...well, Adobe is never going to provide a date for when it's "okay" to kill their technology, right? Someone will always argue that it's too early, won't they?

I've just got to say, in my experience, not having Flash on my iPhone has proven to be a 100% non-issue, and the people I've talked to about it IRL say the same thing. So circling back around to the original topic, maybe the Firefox people are picking up on that, that losing Flash isn't the great debacle it has been made out to be? Just a thought.
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Well this is the 2nd nail in the coffin I would say. It's only a matter of time.
 
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post #56 of 70
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Originally Posted by IcedEarth View Post
No it isn't.

They have released several statements saying that it is because Flash is holding back technological advances. Which funnily enough, is why Firefox are pushing HTML5 and AFAIK, they don't have an app store.
Lol, no it really was down to control for Apple and not because it's holding back technological advances.
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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post

As for "killing it too early"...well, Adobe is never going to provide a date for when it's "okay" to kill their technology, right? Someone will always argue that it's too early, won't they?
It's "too early" when there isn't a viable replacement out or anywhere close to ready for release. Way to jumble up what I actually said, dude!

It's not for Adobe to decide when Flash gets killed off. That's down to web designers, browsers and W3C. W3C need to ratify and finalise the spec, browsers need to start to support that spec (which they are) and then finally people need to start coding in HTML5. I'm preaching to the congregation here, I know.

Now, we have the browsers and I'll imagine there's some code monkey's learning HTML5 as we speak but it's nowhere near enough to be deployed and begin replacing these horrible Flash sites.

So, yeah, Apple killed it off from their devices far too early and it was all about control, yet Apple were throwing out all kinds of rubbish excuses, from the eradication of porn to battery problems.

As for not missing Flash off your phone? Lucky you. Apple sealed the deal for me a long time ago, but not supporting Flash really helped me advice everyone I know about getting an Android phone.
    
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Now, we have the browsers and I'll imagine there's some code monkey's learning HTML5 as we speak but it's nowhere near enough to be deployed and begin replacing these horrible Flash sites.
Bolded that term for emphasis. An 8 year old can go into Adobe flash and start making flash content, but HTML5 requires a "code monkey".
    
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post #58 of 70
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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post
Time for a social experiment...will all of the people who openly bashed Apple and Steve Jobs for refusing to put Flash on the iPhone/iPad just as strongly decry the much loved Firefox for arguing a very similar position? The hypothesis to be tested is that people were actually just hating on Apple more than defending Flash.
Where does it say that Firefox won't support flash?

This article is just stating what every other person who is in the web industry has been saying since HTML5 became supported.
    
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
Bolded that term for emphasis. An 8 year old can go into Adobe flash and start making flash content, but HTML5 requires a "code monkey".
What, did I attach an age limit on the term "Code Monkey"? Is there some handbook I've missed that states the Code Monkey's Code of Practice as stating you must be at least 9 years old, or this high to enter?

No. No I did not. Don't jump to conclusions.

HTML5 isn't anywhere NEAR to being deployed, so dropping Flash early was a bad, poor move by Apple.
    
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You don't "learn" HTML5. It's like saying your learning Java EE 6. It's just a bunch of standards put together. HTML5 is mostly javascript functionality, webgl, and some html tags. But really it's mostly javascript.

How do you think all this stuff is being implemented? There are only 3 ways to provide a client with rich data. That's Flash, javascript, and java applets. No one really uses applets anymore. So your left with 2 ways. Javascript and Flash.

Sure doing complex animations is 1200 times harder in javascript then in in flash. That's why Adobe said it would provide tools for doing this like they do with flash.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/05/ado...rld-for-html5/

Ugh.
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