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Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post
LOL really? You don't see the bigger picture with bulldozer do you? It's not about core speed, it's about integration and overall performance. Throwing more cores aren't going to do anything for now, we barely can write programs that require 4 and that's pushing it with newer GPU acceleration coming this way. Yeah, synthetic benchmarks are amazing but only so if a program can use them. I've seen the "new" stuff that Intel is bringing and it's still behind in innovation.

The CPU is going to leave the mainstream market if this APU keeps pushing itself. People don't want to upgrade, they don't want modular parts they want a new product. Innovation paves the way not speed.
There are quite a few apps or processes that will immediately benefit from 8 cores, namely Compression / Encryption / Encoding / Transcoding / Compiling, just to name a few, which would be really fast on 8 cores, whoosh!!!

I'm not just excited about Bulldozer, I'm excited that AMD finally listened to the real computer users out there, we know what we want, we want a rig that can do it all and fast too! MOAR CORES!!!!

I never bought into the HYPEr-Threading, I've always known it was about cores, not channeling/pipeline tricks designed to ooze out some extra performance, when you start pushing 8 cores @ 5 GHz you are talking about one very beastly chip indeed!

Granted there will need to be some updating to get the 8 cores working on many apps, but that's not really a big deal as some apps are ready for them, and while you may have to update instruction sets, it won't be long before we see these beastly chips bowling down some benchies!

I'd like to see a massive GFlop chip, and I think Bulldozer is going to be the one...
Edited by _GTech - 3/14/11 at 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by cayennemist View Post
AMD FAILED buy nameing them cores!

people are getting confused.

think of it like this people

BD vs SB
AMD________Intel
Modules = Cores
Cores = Hyper threading
Yupp! That's the thing though, I don't think people understand that one way or another BD will beat or at the very least match SB because of this simple fact!

I would be very surprised if BD was a flop. It's very easy to calculate BD as being a winner simply by looking at the way the chip has been designed. This is an innovation by AMD and it's those kind of innovations that could easily triumph or simply be experiment in preparation for something better. Either way they are on a very good path especially with their impressive APU's lined up.

There has been a few shirty Intel Fanboi comments in here and to respond to that I have only one thing to say: AMD and Intel are like left and right; there wouldn't be one without the other. So no point hating on any one of them.
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bad news for AMD fan boi's if AMD is just pointing bulldozer to fight with sandy bridge. Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against AMD. I own a 1090T system and a 980x system, but where it matters AMD is way behind Intel and will probably always be that way.
Just like how ATI was going to never get ahead of nVidia when the HD2900XT was out, right?

Competing is what we want, Ivy Bridge is probably very little faster than Sandy Bridge clock for clock, core for core as it's mostly to get the architecture to 22nm...Which Bulldozer will do too.

Before the Pentium 4, AMD and Intel were neck and neck, then the P4 came out and the Athlon64 utterly destroyed it, if you think the difference between Thuban and Nehalem or Sandy is big, you should have seen the difference between a Athlon64 at 3Ghz and a P4 at 4Ghz.

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Originally Posted by Pwnography View Post
Socket 775 intels Saviour
Considering Socket 775 was a Pentium 4 Socket first...Nah.

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Originally Posted by Xristo View Post
Soo what happens wen intel bring out their next gen cpu's ? Ivy bridge will kick bulldozers ass ... amd will have to catch up once again .

Amd will never take the crown , they are too slow ... bulldozer aint even here yet and their aiming to keep with SB ? sorry to tell you , intels new cpus are due in a few months time only to set amd a whole generation behind again.
There seriously needs to be a simple test on computer history on this forum...

Ivy Bridge is a shrink of Sandy Bridge, probably no more than 10% faster clock for clock and probably with more cores, the Z68 version of Sandy shouldn't be any faster apart from the extra cores, just like the i7 860 vs the i7 920.


Granted, 90% of the people who keep getting this wrong probably would be saying "Intel can never catch up" if the Phenom II was the fastest chip.

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Originally Posted by Behemoth777 View Post
They never said bulldozer would beat sandy bridge, they said it would compete with it. Just like deneb competed with nehalem, and just like thuban competed with gulftown. Guess what? Amd is still behind, sorry to break it to you.

I used to own a phenom II system, and it was great until I started playing more cpu intense games, then I realized how slow the architecture really was. And yes, I had my cpu-nb overclocked too, and I still saw a tremendous increase going with a 2500k.

Quit with the fanboyism and look at the facts, jeez. I'm not saying amd will never be on top again, but they sure as heck aren't on top right now.
You do realize Denebs competition is Core 2? And Thubans is Nehalem? AMD is a generation behind, yes, hence, they're competing with what they can (Eg. Deneb is priced around the same as the 775 chips and came out when they were still selling new)

If it competes with SB we can bet that it'll at least match it in multithreaded scenarios ala Thuban vs Nehalem.

And I really call BS on that CPU intensive games thing, there is no game that won't play as well as a Core i7 on a Phenom II with an OCed CPU/NB unless you have CFX or SLI.

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Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post
How does a single GPU setup cause the CPU to bottleneck? From everything I've herd that doesn't happen, so if that's the case wouldn't the frames be equal?

[edit] Unless you have a crossfire setup, but it's kinda hard to tell cause you have Crossfire X or something. Why not just put x2?
When AMD made it so you only needed one CF Bridge and added Tri/Quad CFX they renamed it Crossfire X.


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Unfortunately gaming is not exactly Phenom 2's strong point. He's definitely getting better frames with the 2500k, even with a single gpu setup.
By about 2-3 FPS without CFX, unless all he plays is FSX.

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Originally Posted by Wildcard36qs View Post
Why don't we all agree to just saying 8 threads for both AMD and Intel. Sheesh you all are getting ridiculous over this.
This.

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Originally Posted by Sin0822 View Post
it would be funny is AMD could beat intel, but i just see more cores than intel and higher oc per core? what like turbo multis higher ? lol stupid.

I doubt AMD will be able to come out with anything that will beat Intel, but in a few months we might see something cool, maybe match Intel? Z68 will be out very soon, and then prob ivy bridge.

I also see no mention of ivybridge, ok your extreme can match a 2600k, BUT not the Intel extreme platforms? same stuff amd has been doing i agree.
Ivy. Bridge. Is. Sandy. Bridges. 22nm. Shrink. The. IPC. Won't. Be. Much. Faster. If. Any. At. All.

And Z68 won't be much faster than a 2600K at best unless you use multiple GPUs and WinRAR.

To sum up my post:
  • Ivy Bridge will not be more than 10% faster than Sandy Bridge assuming equal clocks and core count, it will have more cores as its on 22nm but AMD will be able to do the same, how do I know this? Well, Intel has done this die shrink strategy for the past 4 years and haven't said about changing it yet.
  • Bulldozer modules = Intel cores with HT, how is it fair to compare 8 threads to 4 threads? Even if the Module thing is more efficient than HT, it's like saying "You can only compare a Core i3 to this Phenom II x6 because Intels cache design is faster and the Core i3s is equal to it."
  • If you want to compare CPUs: Compare on price, yes, a 980X kills a Thuban completely and utterly, but I'd have to pay AU$2000 to get one (Motherboard + RAM + CPU) whereas I could pay under AU$200 to get the Thuban, same thing applies to any CPU.
  • AMD will eventually get ahead of Intel, then Intel will get ahead of AMD, then AMD will get ahead of Intel, etc.
    
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if their 8-core CPU can't beat a i7-2600k then i will shed a tear for AMD.
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Just like how ATI was going to never get ahead of nVidia when the HD2900XT was out, right?
They are still not ahead. They are really close behind but Nvidia edges them out every time.

Plus a X68 Platform will arrive and will crush bulldozer.
Edited by BeerPowered - 3/14/11 at 10:59pm
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I thought I read a while back where John from AMD stated that client CPUs will be 2,4,6 module - hence 4,8,12 core?

In the roadmap image it shows 4,6,8 core - where is the 12 core Zambezzi - that is what I want
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I thought I read a while back where John from AMD stated that client CPUs will be 2,4,6 module - hence 4,8,12 core?

In the roadmap image it shows 4,6,8 core - where is the 12 core Zambezzi - that is what I want
Don't quote me but i don't think the 12c version(Desktop) will be available until BD2. Or possibly even the dieshrunk version.
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if their 8-core CPU can't beat a i7-2600k then i will shed a tear for AMD.
Learn to read...
Do we need a NEON SIGN people?
its 4 "cores"(modules)each one is split in 2
totaling 8 threads

just like a
2600K has 4 cores with hyper threading for a total of 8 treads
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They are still not ahead. They are really close behind but Nvidia edges them out every time.

Plus a X68 Platform will arrive and will crush bulldozer.
They were, did you miss the HD4870? It didn't win in absolute performance but the HD4xx0s destroyed nVidia's GT200, they only managed to compete with realistic price brackets once GT200b came out.

And even with X58 vs P55, the CPU performance was practically the same unless you listened to the x58 users shouting that they didn't waste money on unneeded Memory and PCIe bandwidth.
    
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I dunno, I think it'll just end up being on par or slightly faster than X58's Core i7.
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