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I cant wait for benchies

Hope I don't end up with another Phenom 9500
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They were, did you miss the HD4870? It didn't win in absolute performance but the HD4xx0s destroyed nVidia's GT200, they only managed to compete with realistic price brackets once GT200b came out.

And even with X58 vs P55, the CPU performance was practically the same unless you listened to the x58 users shouting that they didn't waste money on unneeded Memory and PCIe bandwidth.
When comparing 2 competeing cards/chips you are comparing Pure Performance. Price doesn't factor period. Price factors when you the consumer are trying to decide what is best for you.

ATI and AMD have always been the cheap gamer on a budget parts. Hell even I have a 965BE with 2 5870s. But just because its cheap doesn't make it better. AMD/ATI have been edged out every year since 2006.

Also im talking about X68(Not x58) which is not to be confused with Z68 which is completely different.
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Learn to read...
Do we need a NEON SIGN people?
its 4 "cores"(modules)each one is split in 2
totaling 8 threads

just like a
2600K has 4 cores with hyper threading for a total of 8 treads
No no, not at all like a 2600k. If you were to disable four threads on Bulldozer, you would lose half the performance. That's because those are cores, not threads. Where as if you disable hyper threading, you lose about 15% performance. Modules are not cores.

The real question here is whether or not Bulldozer, core for core, can beat Sandy Bridge. My guess is it probably won't. And that's all that really matters in gaming. (Unless you're playing Crysis 2 in which case, eight cores are useful, but that's quite a light game)

Eight Bulldozer cores should easily beat a 2600k with HT, but I have my doubts about four Bulldozer cores beating a 2500k.
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Yup, bulldozer will fall short of sandy bridge. Intel is still going to dominate the high end market, and i'm glad I made my sandy bridge purchase 2 months ago instead of waiting 6 months for an inferior product.
You don't know that, so please keep your misinformation to yourself.
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No no, not at all like a 2600k. If you were to disable four threads on Bulldozer, you would lose half the performance. That's because those are cores, not threads. Where as if you disable hyper threading, you lose about 15% performance. Modules are not cores.

The real question here is whether or not Bulldozer, core for core, can beat Sandy Bridge. My guess is it probably won't. And that's all that really matters in gaming. (Unless you're playing Crysis 2 in which case, eight cores are useful, but that's quite a light game)

Eight Bulldozer cores should easily beat a 2600k with HT, but I have my doubts about four Bulldozer cores beating a 2500k.
All you say there is cores are better than HT. We all know that. Here is the thing though... AMD is getting that improvement of cores over HT with basically the same die size.

In laymen terms, smaller die = less heat = better overclocking There is a method to AMDs madness...

If bulldozer clocks lets say 300-500Mhz further on air compared to Sandy Bridge then it could make up for any differences in IPC.
Edited by JCPUser - 3/15/11 at 12:36am
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i'll simply choose the chip that doesn't have DRM
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All you say there is cores are better than HT. We all know that. Here is the thing though... AMD is getting that improvement of cores over HT with basically the same die size.

In laymen terms, smaller die = less heat = better overclocking There is a method to AMDs madness...
I was merely saying that the modules themselves do not represent one core, they represent two.
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Sold the i5 760 I had in the closet. Seems it may have been a good decision.
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I was merely saying that the modules themselves do not represent one core, they represent two.
I tend to agree with you more then the people posting earlier about core+HT=module. With that said though... AMD has already said that a module won't have the same throughput as 2 traditionally set up cores (much less sharing).

I believe that AMD numbers were if 2 cores will do 2x the work of one core, then one module will only do 1.8x the work of one core.
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Originally Posted by A Russian :D View Post
From what I understand Bulldozer will improve single thread performance greatly which could explain the need for more cores to stay competitive in the multi thread performance.

Edit: not to mention as someone said 1 module takes roughly the same die size as 1 regular core.
what exactly is a regular core now-a-days? could we consider it a current Intel core? not exactly because due to HT it can handle 2 threads, and we generally don't consider a Integer core (in a module) a core either due to the shared resources with another int core...

but really does it matter?
some will say yes

and when Benchmarks come out if bulldozer beats a HT quad core then people will cry foul due to a comparison against a quad core (and slam AMD in the process)

and if it doesn't compare well... it will suck for everybody (though I'm sure people will come out from the shadows to cheerfully proclaim the doom of AMD - as if that would somehow be a good thing)
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