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What's the point of comparing pure performance? Yeah, the Intel 980X may be faster than the 1100T...Compare performance for the price for an measurement that means something in real life, comparing pure performance is just letting Intel and AMD wave their ****s around in a field to see who has the biggest..
Like I said before Price factors when you the consumer are trying to decide what is best for you.

It needs to be compared on pure performance so the consumer can make his own decision.
When building a computer I couldn't care how much it costs as long as I get whats best for me.

If you see the something like the i7 2600k getting about the same frames as the 965BE in gaming, then yeah you may decide for yourself, "hey the i7 it isn't worth the extra money, I' am going to get the AMD"

Then I look at it and see all areas including encoding, system performance and see the 965BE is lagging behind. So I choose the i7 2600k based on that.

So even though the 965 may be the better value for you, it doesn't make sense for me, as I care about pure performance.

Hope that explains it to you better.
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You could compare the 1100t BE with the i7-2600K, have the i7 win, but still get the 1100t BE. The extra cores benefits some programs. If a person just wants power, they would get the i7.
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Like I said before Price factors when you the consumer are trying to decide what is best for you.

It needs to be compared on pure performance so the consumer can make his own decision.
When building a computer I couldn't care how much it costs as long as I get whats best for me.

If you see the something like the i7 2600k getting about the same frames as the 965BE in gaming, then yeah you may decide for yourself, "hey the i7 it isn't worth the extra money, I' am going to get the AMD"

Then I look at it and see all areas including encoding, system performance and see the 965BE is lagging behind. So I choose the i7 2600k based on that.

So even though the 965 may be the better value for you, it doesn't make sense for me, as I care about pure performance.

Hope that explains it to you better.
You missed my point, most people would care about prices...For you, comparing pure performance may be the best way if you can afford to spend $5000+ on a system (In that case, why no SR-2 and GTX 580 QuadSLI?) but for 99.9% of users out there, comparing prices is what they should do.

I don't game much and when I do, a Core i7 doesn't improve it much, I do compile applications fairly often and I want an 8 core CPU so I know that when I get into video editing (Part of my University course) I won't be limited, most people would see an upgrade as something like that, I could live with my 275 and Phenom II for a long time if I really wanted to, it has all the performance I need.
    
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Sorry Brutus but you've deliberately missed his point. He was talking about pure performance, the best vs the best, money doesn't come into it at that point.

Money is a factor you account for as a consumer, not to determine which is the fastest.

You wouldn't say runner A can run 3miles in 12minutes but charges £1,200,000 an hour to do this, yet runner B can run 3miles in 15minutes yet only charges £20,001 an hour therefore runner B is a better runner, that would be totally illogical.
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Sorry Brutus but you've deliberately missed his point. He was talking about pure performance, the best vs the best, money doesn't come into it at that point.

Money is a factor you account for as a consumer, not to determine which is the fastest.

You wouldn't say runner A can run 3miles in 12minutes but charges £1,200,000 an hour to do this, yet runner B can run 3miles in 15minutes yet only charges £20,001 an hour therefore runner B is a better runner, that would be totally illogical.
My point is: Why compare that? They're aimed at a different market, different price point, sure, it's great if a $50 chip beats a $500 chip in everything, but it's no use just looking at performance...What does it prove? As I've said...It proves nothing of value to the real world, sure, Intel may have the crown but they have very little to compete in the value market and only have fairly good competition in the mid-range market if you buy from Microcenter, the Atom is completely thrashed by the Fusion, the halo effect thanks to the 2600K and 980X/SR-2 is not helping Intel at all with those markets.
    
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My point is: Why compare that? They're aimed at a different market, different price point, sure, it's great if a $50 chip beats a $500 chip in everything, but it's no use just looking at performance...What does it prove? As I've said...It proves nothing of value to the real world, sure, Intel may have the crown but they have very little to compete in the value market and only have fairly good competition in the mid-range market if you buy from Microcenter, the Atom is completely thrashed by the Fusion, the halo effect thanks to the 2600K and 980X/SR-2 is not helping Intel at all with those markets.
Different market? The i7 and Phenom II X4/X6 are the same market, i5 and Phenom II X3 same market, i3 and Phenom II X2 same market, Atom and Fusion same market.

Intel competes very well in all 4 against AMD.
Edited by BeerPowered - 3/18/11 at 7:29am
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Different market? The i7 and Phenom II X4/X6 are the same market, i5 and Phenom II X3 same market, i3 and Phenom II X2 same market, Atom and Fusion same market.

Intel competes very well in all 4 against AMD.
I agree expect fusion kills atom. At least it can play 1080p vidoes....
    
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Different market? The i7 and Phenom II X4/X6 are the same market, i5 and Phenom II X3 same market, i3 and Phenom II X2 same market, Atom and Fusion same market.

Intel competes very well in all 4 against AMD.
What does Intel have in the ~$70 market? LGA775 Pentiums? AMD has Athlon II X3s.
i3 is in the same price range as the Phenom II X4 955BE ($120-$140)
Phenom II X3 hasn't been on the retail market in ages. They've been relegated to OEM systems.
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Gonna be just like when the FX-62 pee'd all over the Pentium
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What does Intel have in the ~$70 market? LGA775 Pentiums? AMD has Athlon II X3s.
i3 is in the same price range as the Phenom II X4 955BE ($120-$140)
Phenom II X3 hasn't been on the retail market in ages. They've been relegated to OEM systems.
So in other words, Both can dig deep into your pockets but Intel can't handle the lints?
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