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u said that 4 cores + ht cannot match 8 physical cores. due to the absoluteness of the statement I questioned it. want another analogy? Create an Octocore pentium 3 chip (8 physical cores) and bench it against a 2600k (4 real cores, 4 HT cores)

which one do you think will win?

Ultimately it comes down to core design.

IF AMD executes well, than this will be a killer product & I'll build 2 (maybe 3) BD based rigs, If they are competitive I'll build 1 (maybe 2) & 1 SB based comp. IF its not competitive I'll see about maybe building 1 BD based rig & 1/2 SB rigs.

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u said that 4 cores + ht cannot match 8 physical cores. due to the absoluteness of the statement I questioned it. want another analogy? Create an Octocore pentium 3 chip (8 physical cores) and bench it against a 2600k (4 real cores, 4 HT cores)

which one do you think will win?

Ultimately it comes down to core design.

IF AMD executes well, than this will be a killer product & I'll build 2 (maybe 3) BD based rigs, If they are competitive I'll build 1 (maybe 2) & 1 SB based comp. IF its not competitive I'll see about maybe building 1 BD based rig & 1/2 SB rigs.

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Actually your statement makes no sense. Pentium 3 is built on, I think, 150nm or 200nm nodes. Hence, there are barely any transistors on the chip. Comparing a 32nm bulldozer vs a 32nm sandy bridge, more cores will ALWAYS win. Bulldozer is estimated to have 1.2B transistors. Intel's 2600k has 900M (including the graphics). So just by saying that, Bulldozer already has an advantage.
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Actually your statement makes no sense. Pentium 3 is built on, I think, 150nm or 200nm nodes. Hence, there are barely any transistors on the chip. Comparing a 32nm bulldozer vs a 32nm sandy bridge, more cores will ALWAYS win. Bulldozer is estimated to have 1.2B transistors. Intel's 2600k has 900M (including the graphics). So just by saying that, Bulldozer already has an advantage.
Deneb & Bloomfield have a similar transistor count & are on the same node... so following your logic of more transistors = more performance then Deneb should compete with Bloomfield. Which it doesn't on a performance standpoint
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FAT chance AMD will overcome INtel.
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FAT chance AMD will overcome INtel.
it would be great for the market place if they do it though
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I don't know why AMD is over-hyping BD withouth any benchmarks. Either show the benchies or be quiet until you're ready to do so.

That should apply to any other computer hardware as well.
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Deneb & Bloomfield have a similar transistor count & are on the same node... so following your logic of more transistors = more performance then Deneb should compete with Bloomfield. Which it doesn't on a performance standpoint
I was saying the combination of all of the aforementioned things add up to Bulldozer overpowering Intel. More cores and all new architecture will undoubtedly be more powerful. AMD's chips will be able to overclock just as good or better than Intel's. No matter how you look at it, Bulldozer will outperform SB.
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I was saying the combination of all of the aforementioned things add up to Bulldozer overpowering Intel. More cores and all new architecture will undoubtedly be more powerful. AMD's chips will be able to overclock just as good or better than Intel's. No matter how you look at it, Bulldozer will outperform SB.
That's a very absolute point of view. It's quite funny how you seem to be so sure of it without any benchmarks or proof. AMD itself never clearly declared any of your points. Your comment seems more like a wish than what anyone would realistically expect.

First of all, more cores does not have any impact in gaming as of now.
Also, SB is also a new architecture too, so nothing new there.
I don't know why you're stating that AMD chips overclock better? There is absolutely no proof of that. Actually, if anyone had to guess how they would fare in comparison to SB, I'm sure people would say they would overclock similarly to Phenom IIs and to Nehalems. You see SB's overclocking capabilities are quite phenomenal and no other family of chips seems to be as overclockable.
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This is a lot of hype, I hope they can deliver
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I was saying the combination of all of the aforementioned things add up to Bulldozer overpowering Intel. More cores and all new architecture will undoubtedly be more powerful. AMD's chips will be able to overclock just as good or better than Intel's. No matter how you look at it, Bulldozer will outperform SB.
i hope so.

Until 3rd party legitimate benchmarks are published we won't really know though.
I am just as hopeful as you are about the performance of BD. However we really don't know much of anything until we get more information
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