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That's a very absolute point of view. It's quite funny how you seem to be so sure of it without any benchmarks or proof. AMD itself never clearly declared any of your points. Your comment seems more like a wish than what anyone would realistically expect.

First of all, more cores does not have any impact in gaming as of now.
Also, SB is also a new architecture too, so nothing new there.
I don't know why you're stating that AMD chips overclock better? There is absolutely no proof of that. Actually, if anyone had to guess how they would fare in comparison to SB, I'm sure people would say they would overclock similarly to Phenom IIs and to Nehalems. You see SB's overclocking capabilities are quite phenomenal and no other family of chips seems to be as overclockable.
All you have to do is look at every node shrink and it will be clear. 65nm clocks were 1.8ghz-3.4ghz. 45nm came 3ghz-4ghz. 32nm can easily achieve 3.5ghz-4.5ghz+ matching or surpassing Intel. With higher clocks, and more cores, more cache, new architecture (if you truly study it and compare it to Intel) all point to Bulldozer being very competitive.
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AMD doesn't have to fight sandy bridge with the bulldozer, they need to fight ivy bridge with bulldozer. I'm (literally) betting that by the end of the year, Intel will already be warming up the successor to Ivy Bridge too (which is the point where AMD expects 10% of its chips to be in the AM3+ form factor)

From the viewpoint of a prospective shareholder, what worries me about AMD is that they don't discuss the superior value that AMD chips often provide. Their marketing in this regard is pretty weak; it's their unsung strong suit.

Amd - always a day late and a dollar short.
Edited by TehStone - 3/21/11 at 2:57pm
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All you have to do is look at every node shrink and it will be clear. 65nm clocks were 1.8ghz-3.4ghz. 45nm came 3ghz-4ghz. 32nm can easily achieve 3.5ghz-4.5ghz+ matching or surpassing Intel. With higher clocks, and more cores, more cache, new architecture (if you truly study it and compare it to Intel) all point to Bulldozer being very competitive.
My i7 970 is 32nm and it cannot achieve SB clocks for 24/7 use. Just because it is on a smaller manufacturing process, doesn't mean it'll overclock significantly more. A simple shrinking of the manufacturing is definitely not enough even remotely to guarantee SB overclocking capabilities. There is a trend, but it is far from definite.

Recent generation of AMD CPUs have higher clocks, more cores and more L2 cache compared to Intel CPUs and it didn't stop them from performing similarly (if not worse).

Edit: Due to incorrect wording.
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AMD has always had higher clocks, more cores and more L2 cache compared to Intel and it hasn't stopped it from making poorer chips.
Rofl. You are so misinformed.
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Rofl. You are so misinformed.
Well I was referring to the Phenom IIs, not the pre-2006 era where AMD had the upper hand. And it is completely relevant. It is you who is in denial.

Why do you think AMD is pricing its best processor, the PII 1100T in the same price range as midrange CPUs of Intel? Trust me, AMD is just a corporation, and having valued the performance of their product, they placed it in its correct price range along midrange CPUs. There is no denying that AMD is at least 2 generations behind Intel.

The PII 1100T has more cores, a higher clock and more L2 cache when compared to the i7 960 but it performs worse in most uses. Please tell me how I am misinformed?
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Well I was referring to the Phenom IIs, not the pre-2006 era where AMD had the upper hand. And it is completely relevant. It is you who is in denial.
This.

..Except since the Phenom I, not II.
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Hmmm. Everyone's talking clock for clock, but I'm starting to wonder how FX will stand up to Core2K on a core for core basis. 8 core is targeting a a 4core w/ SMT?

I know bulldozer is not the typical multicore design, so maybe that's not an apples to apples comparison, but I cant help but wonder how they'll go head to head in single threaded performance. Most applications/games these days still dont take full advantage of the multicore design (instead it seems applications remain single core-ish while the OS delegates various apps to different cores for multi tasking), making single core performance among the more important metrics in my mind (especially when core counts are equal)

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Well I was referring to the Phenom IIs, not the pre-2006 era where AMD had the upper hand. And it is completely relevant. It is you who is in denial.
If I recall correctly, hasn't it traditionally been Intel with the higher clocks? They did after all invent the Megahertz race and define the clock speed as essentially the sole identifier of performance (granted we're long past those days, but still, they've been the champions of the MHz race regardless).
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Hmmm. Everyone's talking clock for clock, but I'm starting to wonder how FX will stand up to Core2K on a core for core basis. 8 core is targeting a a 4core w/ SMT?

I know bulldozer is not the typical multicore design, so maybe that's not an apples to apples comparison, but I cant help but wonder how they'll go head to head in single threaded performance. Most applications/games these days still dont take full advantage of the multicore design (instead it seems applications remain single core-ish while the OS delegates various apps to different cores for multi tasking), making single core performance among the more important metrics in my mind (especially when core counts are equal)



If I recall correctly, hasn't it traditionally been Intel with the higher clocks? They did after all invent the Megahertz race and define the clock speed as essentially the sole identifier of performance (granted we're long past those days, but still, they've been the champions of the MHz race regardless).
Since he specified post 2006, no. AMD has had the higher clocks. C2Ds came out 1.86ghz, 2.13ghz, meanwhile Athlon x2s were clocking at 2.6ghz and up. Move on to quads, and look at how high the Phenom IIs clocks are at stock compared to say, my i5 760 2.8ghz.
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if the 8 core is under $400 i'm sold.

i really hope they don't have ridiculous "extreme edition" pricing.
    
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