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Even if these CPU's performance is somewhat disappointing I won't buy an Intel CPU. There's more to buying PC hardware than just performance and I'd like to remind you all that had Intel not been sneaky and used corrupt practices (which has earned them billions in fines) AMD would not be in this position.
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Also look at how often Nvidia and AMD (formally ATI) flip-flop. Remember how late to the game the HD 2000's were and when they were finally released, they were terrible. Then a few years later the HD 5000's came out and dominated the initial fermi's. Now the next gen fermi's are slightly better than the HD 6000.

So just because one architecture is inferior to another doesn't mean that the next one will be.
Quoted for Truth.

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^ There was an internal struggle at Intel. One faction wanted to pursue the 10GHz dream of Netburst. Another faction wanted to go back to P3 style of CPUs. Remember P4 had less much less IPC than P3.

Intel was heavily marketing clock speed as performance and the masses fell for it. When that MHz myth could not be sustained any longer, Intel emphasized model numbers instead of clock speed. That is why we now have names like i7 920 / 2600k instead of i7 3.4GHz.
I did not care for Intel's business practices during the P4 days. Paying company's to shut out AMD/VIA form carrying their products. The early P4 motherboards made you buy that over priced "Rambus" RAM while AMD was using the cheaper DDR memory.... I remember a lot of my friends ditching their systems for AMD T-bird/XP chips and I stuck with my P3 for as long as i could.

Back on topic, AMD's bulldozer/Fusion chips look amazing on paper. The wait is killing me but I really want AMD to get it right.
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Even if these CPU's performance is somewhat disappointing I won't buy an Intel CPU. There's more to buying PC hardware than just performance and I'd like to remind you all that had Intel not been sneaky and used corrupt practices (which has earned them billions in fines) AMD would not be in this position.
So, true! Thank you.
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thats the whole reason i buy only amd products
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...there are many teams working simultaneously on different projects.
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Core 2 arose from the Pentium 3/Merom architecture (developed by the Isreali division of Intel) in response to the essential failure of netburst. Let me say that again, Core arch arose from the need to address the shortcomings of P4, shortcomings they were only aware of until after P4 reached maturity. Essentially, P4 tried to accomplish too many things at once, and perhaps more importantly, attempted to do those things at excessive speed. Core 2 was a response to to P4, built upon the shoulders of the giant that was P3, discarding most if not all of that which differentiated the P4 architecture from that of its predecssors. Core/Nehalem/Westemere were all baby steps toward realizing the dream that was once P4, and since renamed "sandy bridge."
Believe it or not, Core 2 was not developed in six months, but wouldn't that have been amazing?
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Intel did, but then again they have much much much more money.

EDIT: Think about it this way, the Pentium D was leagues behind the Athlon X2 as it was based on the Netburst architecture. The Core 2 was under development well before the Pentium D came out, now I'm not sure exactly the amount of time it was under development, but I do know that Bulldozer has been under development for five years now (that's as long as Intel QuickSync). You also have to take into consideration that there isn't just one development team, there are many teams working simultaneously on different projects.

Also look at how often Nvidia and AMD (formally ATI) flip-flop. Remember how late to the game the HD 2000's were and when they were finally released, they were terrible. Then a few years later the HD 5000's came out and dominated the initial fermi's. Now the next gen fermi's are slightly better than the HD 6000.

So just because one architecture is inferior to another doesn't mean that the next one will be.
Quoted for truth

AMD can be Top Dog again with the bulldozer, they are not doomed for always being in 2nd place, this is their chance, and if it flops it doesnt mean AMD is screwed forever... I personally am excited for Bulldozer and I think everyone should be.
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AMD's hardware is superior to Intel's when it comes to servers. Nobody is denying that, the one area where Intel have the advantage over AMD is in synthetic benchmarks. There is very little difference between a 1090T and an i7 960, bar in benchmarks. However when it comes to actually doing real work with your equipment there's either no noticeable difference or there's no difference whatsoever.

This is why AMD have stuck with dual channel memory, rather than jump over to triple, as it only makes a difference in benchmarking. As has been said many times before, if all you do is run benchmarks all day buy Intel. If you want to get your money's worth buy AMD and invest in more memory, more HD, faster HD (SSD), your video card or something else that actually makes a difference. AMD are now shifting to quad channel memory but in servers only, because no desktop will be able to saturate that kind of bandwidth.

This comparisson doesn't take SB into account, because there's nothing to compare it to yet. Once BD is released we will see whether this holds true still or not.

I am going to wait for prices to drop and then see if I can get an X6 for cheap. AQUA@Home will love a six core CPU running close to 4GHz. I am not going to upgrade to BD and will hold off for another year or two. My current system is fine, apart from the lack of cores. When I start running one or more sessions of VBox my system starts running out of CPU power, especially when I'm also playing a game.

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Believe it or not, Core 2 was not developed in six months, but wouldn't that have been amazing?
If you read the forums you will see a lot of people just ignore the fact that it takes years to develop a new chip. Revisions might be done within a few months but designing and testing an entirely new architecture takes 5 years or more. JF-AMD has stated this himself on several occasions but either most people don't know this or ignore it. For example, before aeroplane stealth technology was revealed it had been in development since the 1960's and was first tested in the 80's before it was flown in 'combat' situations in the first Gulf war.
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In any case, I was comparing to CPUs of the same generation (Nehalems vs Thubans), it is fair game... it allows us to see the tech level of both companies.
But you are still making the same mistake, thuban = same gen as any of the phenom II's.

Which in this case the Nehalems are still a generation ahead, had the thuban been 32nm or made from a hybrid of the bulldozer and thuban (K10)architecture your argument would hold water.

But to even compare thuban to Nehalem is still off the mark by a long shot, because it it the same architecture as the Zosma, Deneb, Heka, Callisto
and these are the same they use the same process and the same architecture, which I reiterate "is a generation behind the Intel Core i architecture".

I am sure many other people will say the same thing, also if I am wrong please correct me (to anyone).
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