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Originally Posted by 5starGeneral Alphasnake View Post
If you choose 460 there is a sale in the selling section. For around 200. Both is a good deal. They both look good. You will might see a little drop of fps but its not that big.
lol sorry..Can't buy that..not into 2nd hand products..
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You can call me whatever you wish, sir, but you were proven wrong. Take a look at the links I gave you. If you can't see the difference in IQ you must be blind.

Ad hominem doesn't win arguments for you.
I read your link, it has nothing to do with my statement. An outdated article with a screenshot of one game comparing that if for some weird reason he were to run the game in dx9 that it wouldn't look as good and that has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I SAID is certainly something to behold indeed.

What I did say is that he would not notice the IQ difference. The IQ I was referring to was out of game as well, which I told you, or perhaps you "must be bilnd" when it suits you. And I also said the differences will be unnoticable.

So why we are running around in circles with this I cannot say.

As I said, you pick your poison OP

Here is the 460FTW vs. the 5870; The FTW is about as OCd as you're going to get out of a 460, and the 5870 performs about the same as a 6870 (a little better here, a little worse there, more or less the same overall)

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...nce-hd5870/13/

The 6870 scales the same as the 460, and despite what some people claim does have some OC headroom (not as much as the 460). So again, you pick your poison. Each trades blows back and forth by games.

This is probably the longest thread about a coin toss I've ever seen.

EDIT: Finally found the article that I was referring to in my original post

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...-and-intel/43/

So for the last time I hope, was not talking about in game graphics which is often software not hardware.
Edited by ocpokey - 3/14/11 at 1:13pm
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I'm not being able to pick my "poison" thats y i need u guys help...
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Not Comparing Clock per clock but comparing which will have bttr picture quality, bttr Tessellation performance, bttr overall performance & bttr FPS.
Ignorance is bliss right?

Let me be candid, i have had everything from a 250gts to a 470gtx and from ati a 4850-the 6870 i have now. If i have to list the 20 or so setups i have had my hands will cramp from typing. There is no difference in image quality. If you are going to sit in front of a the monitor wiht a magnifying glass as the rpg smacks you in teh face you are wasting your money and time.


The break down. 460's tend to overclock more percentage based. Clock for clock the fermi architecture is a bit faster. The new 6xxx series brings AMD cards inline with tesselation. IQ between the 460 and 6870 is the same, I have been absolutely unable to tell the difference between the two. Stock the 6870 is faster. Overclocked the 6870 is faster, unless you get a magic super golden 460 and are able to obtain a 1000 core clock. To that i bid you good luck. Overclocking on the 6870 i have been able to achieve 1100 core on air, more common is ~1050.
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You can call me whatever you wish, sir, but you were proven wrong. Take a look at the links I gave you. If you can't see the difference in IQ..
Ad hominem doesn't win arguments for you.

Flawlez: The thread isn't about a single card setup, is it? And you made my point for me. "41" is only "marginally" better than "30" right?

Love that you are calling him out on an ad hominem, and then using one yourself.

Here's a link for you and your supposed CF 40% scaling... Do a search and you'll see these results are very consistent with others:
http://www.overclock.net/ati/908869-6870-crossfirex-scaling-results.html
The 6000 series cards have been shown to CF rather well. (Most show around 85-95%)

As for my opinion... For 1920x1080ish gaming, 2 460s or 2 6870s will most certainly be overkill, why not 1 gtx 560ti? or 1 6950? I'm able to max settings@ 1920x1080 (except HBAO) with a re-certified GTX 465 that cost me 135 USD on newegg. 2 6870s will be major overkill imo, and by the time you need an upgrade you could just purchase another 560ti or w/e and sli/cf then.

But if I had to choose at equal prices SLI 460s vs 6870 CF, It'd be 6870s no question. The 460s are great cards, but the 6870s are really great, and I hear they are only getting better as new drivers are released.
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I'm not being able to pick my "poison" thats y i need u guys help...
The 460 will have better tesselation performance, but sadly at the moment just about nothing utilizes it. The 6870 has good tesellation performance depending on the level of tesellation, but it still comes up short.

The 6870 will have better fps overall in most games (older games it will do worse, newer games better), but currently both will have more FPS than you will be able to see. It will provide slightly better minfps which is something to keep in mind.

Better non-game image quality with the 6870, possibly slightly better ingame image quality with the 460 (maybe).

gtx will provide you some options like physx which very few games utilize, but might be nice.


So, if you still can't decide, think of it this way, for raw power and performance per dollar, the 6870 is the best choice, with the risk of occasional driver problems and lack of frills/extras. If you want to be really future proof by having all the possible extras that you might or might not use (better tesellation, physx, cuda) go with the 460, it's the "safer" choice.

Are you a risk taker or prefer to play it safe?
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I'll play it Safe this time...
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The 460 will have better tesselation performance, but sadly at the moment just about nothing utilizes it. The 6870 has good tesellation performance depending on the level of tesellation, but it still comes up short.

The 6870 will have better fps overall in most games (older games it will do worse, newer games better), but currently both will have more FPS than you will be able to see. It will provide slightly better minfps which is something to keep in mind.

Better non-game image quality with the 6870, possibly slightly better ingame image quality with the 460 (maybe).

gtx will provide you some options like physx which very few games utilize, but might be nice.


So, if you still can't decide, think of it this way, for raw power and performance per dollar, the 6870 is the best choice, with the risk of occasional driver problems and lack of frills/extras. If you want to be really future proof by having all the possible extras that you might or might not use (better tesellation, physx, cuda) go with the 460, it's the "safer" choice.

Are you a risk taker or prefer to play it safe?
This pretty sums up everything you need to know. I myself would prefer physx after re-playing Mafia II and Batman Arkham. Man, it looked so much more realistic when physx is on (I came from a 5770).
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go the 1gig 460s with mine im getting 61 avg on crysis @1080p all maxed 4xaa with min of 41 now thats only a few fps less than the new $900 6990 i get 29500 in vantage get the 460s ive had ati there great cards but because of sooooooooooo many **** drives i went green
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No.

Compare them in DX10 games only.

Several things.

Show me a crossfire review, so I can laugh at ~40% scaling.

DirectX11.

Gah, the noise!

Image quality.

Idle power consumption.

No PhysX.

No folding.

Should I go on?

BTW - Way to go. "current drivers" then show me a review from last June. Good one. And LOL! @ "41" is only marginally better than "30." Ha-ha.
First of all, why compare only DX10, many games are DX9 or 11. All games are relevant in this conversation.

The crossfire scaling of the 68xx series is the highest of any cards series yet. It averages at 86%, much higher than the GTX 4xx series' ~70% scaling.

The 6870 is superior to the GTX 460 with DX11, and DX10 and DX 9. You can look up ANY review and it will tell you that.

nVidia cards have always been more power hungry than ATI cards.

Image quality was never proven as a fact.

Physx is an extremely limited technology used in very very few games.

Also, I can get a good 32 k in 3dmark Vantage's GPU test with my 6870 crossfire. I'll like you to try that with your SLI.

The 6870 is more in the league of the GTX 470, and even beats it when in crossfire due to superior scaling.

Next time, do more research before spewing nonsense.
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