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No. CDs waste space and generally contain 3-5 good songs out of 10-15. iTunes (and digital music as a whole) brought on a new level of consumer choice that is leaps and bounds better than the monopolistic control the music industry has held on us for so long. Bon Jovi is just grumpy he's getting old.
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Anyone else miss the feeling of getting a new CD?
Nope. I still buy most of my music in CD format. iTunes has not earned 1 cent from me yet. I have purchased some MP3s but they have been direct downloads from the artists such as Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails etc.

I still enjoy exactly what Bon Jovi is talking about. I love looking at the album art, looking at the lyrics to the songs, looking at who produced the tracks, mixed the tracks, who is on the thank you list etc.
    
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No. CDs waste space and generally contain 3-5 good songs out of 10-15.
You must listen to some crappy bands. All of my favorite artists put out great albums, not a few OK songs. My favorite songs almost always are tracks that I did not even know existed. I usually buy an album because I heard 1 track but end up liking some other random track much more.

Every Nine Inch Nails album is a masterpiece in my opinion. I listen to each one from start to finish. There is not a single track I would remove from any of them. I feel sorry for anybody who just buys a select few tracks from one of these albums. The best NIN songs are all ones that have never been played on MTV or the radio.

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insstead they try to be with the cool peer group that listen to... crappy auto-tuned artists.
/t
Bon Jovi should be *****ing about software like autotune, not Steve Jobs. Autotune has killed music in my opinion. Any no talent clown with good looks can be the next superstar with the right marketing and autotune.

EDIT: Wow, reading this thread makes me pretty depressed. What crap do you guys listen to anyways?
Edited by Epitope - 3/14/11 at 7:58pm
    
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Bon Jovi has been killing music for years.
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You must listen to some crappy bands. All of my favorite artists put out great albums, not a few OK songs. My favorite songs almost always are tracks that I did not even know existed. I usually buy an album because I heard 1 track but end up liking some other random track much more.

Every Nine Inch Nails album is a masterpiece in my opinion. I listen to each one from start to finish. There is not a single track I would remove from any of them. I feel sorry for anybody who just buys a select few tracks from one of these albums. The best NIN songs are all ones that have never been played on MTV or the radio.



Bon Jovi should be *****ing about software like autotune, not Steve Jobs. Autotune has killed music in my opinion. Any no talent clown with good looks can be the next superstar with the right marketing and autotune.

EDIT: Wow, reading this thread makes me pretty depressed. What crap do you guys listen to anyways?
The same "crap" you listen to apparently. I like NIN but some songs are a little too far out for me. Others are down right epic. I think "Happiness in Slavery" could be interpreted as a good commentary of the US right now. I sometimes feel that I expect an album to be on the same level all around so when I get to hearing a song that is "just good" it seems bad compared to the epics next to it.

And mainstream is all about the superficial which is why auto-tune and good looks will prevail. Maybe once in a while something original will come along but it's often a better looking (in appearance) version of an indie or unknown artist made by big labels to sell for the easy bucks.
     
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The same "crap" you listen to apparently. I like NIN but some songs are a little too far out for me. Others are down right epic. I think "Happiness in Slavery" could be interpreted as a good commentary of the US right now. I sometimes feel that I expect an album to be on the same level all around so when I get to hearing a song that is "just good" it seems bad compared to the epics next to it.

And mainstream is all about the superficial which is why auto-tune and good looks will prevail. Maybe once in a while something original will come along but it's often a better looking (in appearance) version of an indie or unknown artist made by big labels to sell for the easy bucks.
I guess I'm just used to seeing them live. NIN live is a completely different experience than listening to them on an album. They are one of the few bands that I can honestly say sound 10X better live than they ever did on an album. I've probably spent more $ on seeing NIN live than most people here have spent on their entire music collection. I would go as far as saying that Trent Reznor is more of a performance artist than a musician. It's not just a concert, it's a full blown assault on the senses.


Not just NIN. Tool, Deftones, Primus etc. are all great live bands that are still touring. I also really like Bassnectar. Bassnectar is something you will never hear on MTV or anything on TV. His live shows are amazing. I could rant for pages and pages about great live music acts.
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I guess I'm just used to seeing them live. NIN live is a completely different experience than listening to them on an album. They are one of the few bands that I can honestly say sound 10X better live than they ever did on an album. I've probably spent more $ on seeing NIN live than most people here have spent on their entire music collection.

Not just NIN. Tool, Deftones, Primus etc. are all great live bands that are still touring. I also really like Bassnectar. Bassnectar is something you will never hear on MTV or anything on TV. His live shows are amazing.
Hearing a band live and actually being at the show are different things. I've heard them live but never got to go. If I was there I know I'd enjoy it more. Of course that might be connected to how much I just spent on the admissions ticket and the atmosphere though.

There isn't music on MTV anymore. And Fuse went down the crapper trying to copy it (RIP MuchMusic). God I hate commercialism. When can we have good old capitalism again?
     
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He makes a good point...but there is more to it. Itunes has dropped music quality astronomically. Most songs have a light fuzz to them, sound grainy, etc. Apple has been bringing us products that take quality out of our every day life and IMO it is beginning to take its tole. The only exception is the Iphone.
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There isn't music on MTV anymore.
Who needs music when you have Jersey Shore? honestly I'm out of the loop when it comes to MTV. I haven't had cable in over 10 years. I go to my friend's or a sports bar to watch big games etc. I don't miss cable TV one bit. I have a large HDTV but use it exclusively for Netflix streaming, gaming, and blu-ray movies.
    
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Sorry, but most albums are two decent songs, and a dozen pieces of crap.

I do not miss forking over 15 dollars for 10 minutes of good music.
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This is the root of the problem and the main reason why record sales are plummeting. You can no longer package two good songs and ten crap songs and sell it for $15-25. People will now just buy the two songs they wanted for $2. There used to be tons of albums that only really worked if you played through from start to finish so I understand that point, but I don't think any of Bon Jovi's albums fit that description (I could be wrong here). He's just mad he now only get's a cut of $2 instead of $15-25 at the peak of CD sales.
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boo hoo

terrible artists can no longer get away with releasing an album with only one or two good songs with the rest being utter trash and expecting it to sell for full price because its an entire album full of tracks.

good riddance

I will admit, I do miss the good album experience, but for every good album I was burned by what seemed like 5 or 10 terrible ones. It just wasn't worth it.
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No. CDs waste space and generally contain 3-5 good songs out of 10-15. iTunes (and digital music as a whole) brought on a new level of consumer choice that is leaps and bounds better than the monopolistic control the music industry has held on us for so long. Bon Jovi is just grumpy he's getting old.
The presence of "filler" songs with the Albums you guys describe is only because a band/artist had to adhere to an album-based model of music distribution. It was the only way to economically push out artist content. They shouldn't have tried to stretch 4 songs to 9, or revisit the same rift in 3 songs. But that's just how it had to be done with physical distribution. (With the exception of late-career cash-in's)

In that sense, "Steve Jobs" has helped those artists be successful.

My take on what Bon Jovi is getting at is that there are now fewer artists with incentive to grind out a recording session that follows a flow where one song might not stand alone but shines between two other songs on the album.

Good or bad bands/artists can have good singles, but now bad artists can get away without having the "big picture" and still be successful.
    
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