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Originally Posted by zodac;12778699 
-bigadv is meant for high end computers, which would finish the WUs in a matter of hours.

Not for i7s/x6s/2500ks that wil take the majority of the deadline to finish them.

Good point, sir miss.
EDIT You,re a lady, am I wrong? smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Finrond;12778764 
(this isnt directed at you scurk) we should all stop freaking out about the changelog. They were very gracious in listening to the will of the people in being more forthcoming with information, and I would hate to have them change their minds because everyone got in an uproar. Just hold onto your butts, and we'll find out exactly whats changed and how it impacts us once the client is released :-D
No offense taken, I agree with you, sir. This open changelog is a big step in the right direction.
Edited by ScurK - 3/18/11 at 1:36pm
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Good point, sir miss.
[B][EDIT/B] You,re a lady, am I wrong?
No.
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Bump.

But yeah, the above won't be to everyone's liking.
Z, isn't this Pande shooting themselves in the foot?

I have no stats, and I wonder if PG does, but aren't MOST of the bigadv units turned in done by machines with fewer than 8 physical cores?
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Z, isn't this Pande shooting themselves in the foot?

I have no stats, and I wonder if PG does, but aren't MOST of the bigadv units turned in done by machines with fewer than 8 physical cores?
No idea, to be honest. I don't have those numbers either.

However, there are frequently shortages of -bigadv WUs; there are certainly enough 8+ physical core machines around to take advantage of those WUs... I suppose if i7s/x6s are resticted from Folding them, then the return time of each -bigadv WU, on average, would be much lower.

And I'd imagine that's kinda what PG were looking for when designing the -bigadv WUs.
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No idea, to be honest. I don't have those numbers either.

However, there are frequently shortages of -bigadv WUs; there are certainly enough 8+ physical core machines around to take advantage of those WUs... I suppose if i7s/x6s are resticted from Folding them, then the return time of each -bigadv WU, on average, would be much lower.

And I'd imagine that's kinda what PG were looking for when designing the -bigadv WUs.
So surely the way to stop slow returns of bigadv WUs is to make the deadline shorter - not exclude anything based on physical cores.

A single high clocked i7 is faster than a slow dual socket Xeon quad (or quad socket dual core Opteron) from a couple of years ago - why would you exclude the i7 but allow these machines with higher core counts? It makes no sense to restrict on anything but processing time, as the only thing that actually matters is how fast a WU is completed.
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But even if the deadlines were shortened, wouldn't there still be people trying to do it?

I'm not saying that the way PG have gone is the best option, but it's what they've decided on, and I don't think they'll change their minds.
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But even if the deadlines were shortened, wouldn't there still be people trying to do it?
If they try & fail to make the deadlines and they don't get points or credit for the WUs they'll stop trying until they have a fast enough system. But if they make the deadlines there's no problem - the work still gets done. How it gets done doesn't matter providing the calcs are correct and the timing is right.

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I'm not saying that the way PG have gone is the best option, but it's what they've decided on, and I don't think they'll change their minds.
True. Sadly it shows that (maybe) the people behind this project make better biologists than they make computer scientists...
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I'll take it to PG and see what they say... don't expect much though.
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You're awesome, Zodac... nuff said.
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No idea, to be honest. I don't have those numbers either.

However, there are frequently shortages of -bigadv WUs; there are certainly enough 8+ physical core machines around to take advantage of those WUs... I suppose if i7s/x6s are resticted from Folding them, then the return time of each -bigadv WU, on average, would be much lower.

And I'd imagine that's kinda what PG were looking for when designing the -bigadv WUs.
I have often thought about doing -bigadv instead of -smp on my machine but idk how well that would work out, would a 2600k OC'd to 4.7ghz get it done by the deadline?
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