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A very good friend and teammate of mine wants to build a computer that can run CS:S no problem. He doesn't care about future games all he cares about is CS:S running smoothly.

I suggested he go with an AMD build as it usually is more cost effective. However, he wants an NVIDIA card due to crappy ATI drivers.

Please OCN, if you can help me build a computer for under $500, I would greatly appreciate it.

He needs a case, psu, 4gb ram, mobo, video card, cpu, hard drive, optical drive.

He is keeping his current mouse, keyboard, and monitor.

Can it be done? Thanks in advance.
Edited by the_xpert - 3/14/11 at 4:16pm
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Ok so I made a build. If you can help shave some money off while not losing quality I would appreciate it.

Case:
$39.99



CPU: $99.99 AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core

CPU Heatsink: $29.99 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus

MOBO: $78.99 GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3 AM3 AMD 770 ATX

RAM: $49.99 Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333

Video Card: $129.99 (MIR) MSI GTX 460 768MB

PSU: $59.99 Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V

HDD:
$39.99 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA

Optical: $18.99 LITE-ON Black SATA CD/DVD Burner

Total: $550
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AthlonII x4+Mobo 162$\\152$ AR
PhenomII x4+Mobo 195$\\185$ AR
Corsair 600wPSU+Corsair 1600MhzRAM 100$\\70$ AR
Corsair 500wPSU+Corsair 1600mhz Ram 95$\\75$ AR
HDD WD Blue 500GB 40$
DVD 18$ shipped
Case1 50$ (4 fans) shipped (nice cable managment , bottom mounted psu , personal favorite for 50 bucks)
Case2 50$ (3 fans) shipped
Case3 50$\\40$ AR (2 fans) shipped
GTS 450 110$\\90$ AR
HD 5770 125$\\105$ AR

build comes to 475$ before rebates with athlon and 475$ after rebates with phenom
Edited by RabbitGT - 3/14/11 at 4:48pm
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are you near a microcenter?

http://www.microcenter.com/specials/...ndlePROMO.html

asus M4A88TD-V EVO/U Socket AM3 880G ATX AMD**
and Phenom™ II X4 840 = $164 +tax


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Dude, if all you want to do i splay CS:S, then you could probably spend less than $200 and still have a PC that's complete overkill. PC Games are generally made on the specs at the time the project is started, so when it is released 2 years later, you could say it is already 'outdated', in a sense. CS:S is an old game, made older by this fact.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bash it or anything, I actually got it (kinda funny, my PC couldn't handle it 5 years ago and when i built my new pc I was finally able to redeem that $30). My point is that it doesn't take much to play 'today's games, the PC in my sig can play Crysis 2 on maximum with no problem, max fps. The issue with pc's is how will they last.

I recommend you build the PC I have in my signature, but replace the GPU with a GT430 or a Radeon 4830 - whatever you can get in a combo deal better. A 4850 would be complete overkill.

As for a CPU, the Athlon II X3 450 is just the best processor for the money right now. If you want to overclock, the 440 or 445 or even 435 may be better if you willing to gamble, although it is cheaper, and there really is no reason to go above a X2 Regor for your build.

I would suggest just getting a combo deal on newegg for Athlon II X2 + Motherboard, or X3 if you really want to 'splurge'.

The PSU you picked out is complete overkill. Get the Antec Earthwatts 430D. This power calculator is the most accurate I've ever seen, as calcs like neweggs just want you spend money. You could also be thorough and calculate on your own how much power you need, but nah, why would you want to learn how PC's work
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

But seriously, the Antec Earthwatts series is the best for the money right now. Unless you are BOTH overclocking and doing SLI/Crossifre 2x GPU, there is no reason to go above 400w PSU's. However, you do want quality - you need to make sure the 12v rails on the PSU have most of the power.

As for case, NZXT Gamma is a better case for less money.

Your CPU choice isn't really good - the Athlon II X3 450 is $10 less but sacrifices L3 for an extra core, and the current revision from newegg is generally said to be unlock-guaranteed. Black Edition is generally a price premium for no reason at all - to do a thorough overclock, you have to raise the FSB and lower the multiplier anyways, so you'll probably not even go past stock FSB. If you're too lazy to overclock correctly, then don't do it. You can always just raise the FSB on it's own until the system limits you, and be happy with the gain there - it will be just as much as raising any multiplier on it's own.

I think people have pretty much made clear on this board that Gskill's are bad RAM, and RMA them a lot. Just get the cheapest RAM you can, as what is most important is the size, not the speed or timings. 4GB is all you'll ever need to do all the multitasking in the world. I recommend you get 2 x Kingston HyperX Blue 1333mhz 2gb, they have been shown to be better quality than those Gskills and overclock very well. You can check benchmarks online, but the difference between the fastest RAM in the world and the slowest DDR3, is less than 10%, while costing 10x more. If you are intent on 'not buying crappy RAM', which isn't true since Kingstons are absolutely amazing, you are better off spending the money on a better CPU or GPU.

HDD is simply a matter of how much space you need. Just make sure it's 7200RPM and SATA.

here's a GPU that's twice as good as the one you picked, for the same price by the way:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-519-_-Product

Anyways, you should get the GT430 in a combo deal, a 4830, or 4850 at most.

As for you're motherboard, why are you getting such an expensive motherboard? If you have plans to overclock, you need to buy smart, not expensive, and I'd be willing to talk about that. Otherwise, just get a CPU+Motherboard combo, as all the recent newegg AMD CPU + mobo combos are good quality.
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Ok so I made a build. If you can help shave some money off while not losing quality I would appreciate it.

Case:
$59.95 Antec 300 Black Steel

CPU: $89.99 AMD Phenom 555 BE 3.2 GHz

CPU Heatsink: $29.99 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus

MOBO: $78.99 GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3 AM3 AMD 770 ATX

RAM: $49.99 Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333

Video Card: $129.99 (MIR) MSI GTX 460 768MB

PSU: $59.99 Corsair Builder Series CMPSU-500CX 500W

HDD:
$39.99 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA

Optical: $18.99 LITE-ON Black SATA CD/DVD Burner

Total: $557.87
Updated the build with some of the suggestions. How does it look to you guys?
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Man, it's $500-600 budget haven right now
That means one suggestion to use and less work for me

Athlon II x4 840 + TA870U3+ - $175
Sparkle GTS 450 lifetime warranty - $117, $112 AR

- $40 shipped [Amazon]
Corsair CX-600 + XMS3 1600 CL9 2x2GB - $92.50 after promo DM15MR11US, $62.50 AR
Samsung F3 1TB - $51 shipped after promo [superbiiz - see link]
ASUS 24X DVD - $18 shipped after promo [see link]

Total: $493.50
$458.50 AR
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$474 shipped...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.616842
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.619669
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231303
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127519
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147023
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135204

It will play source games all day and night without a problem. No need to overclock that CPU it will work fine just the way it is (use the remaining budget to snag a CPU cooler if you absolutely must OC it ). You can get by fine on the stock heat-sink IMO. Make sure to use the $15 promo code that expires today on the RAM. If you miss out on the RAM special, just grab any 1600-9-9-9 kit for $45 shipped with lots of eggs and you'll be fine.

You can drop down to a GTS450 for ~$110-120 and still be perfectly well off performance wise. Avoid the GT430, I'm not sure why people recommend it as a gaming card, it's a very poor performer for gaming.

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Same price PSU for a much better price. I don't know if your ignoring me or what, but for the same price as the Corsair, this Antec Earthwatts has more wattage on the 12v rail and is much more efficient, being 80+ gold.

Look, a power supply draws power from the wall, right, and supplies it to your PC. When your PC demands, say, 500watts, your power supply is actually demanding much more from the wall socket. So if your PSU is 70% efficient, that means 500/.7=714w are being drawn by the PSU, and 214 of that 'dies' due to inefficiency, and then your PSU gets 500W that it needs. This means higher electric bill, higher chance for the PSU to fail, and more heat.

Secondly, the 12v rails, I cannot stress this enough! That Corsair has only 34v on the 12v rail, meaning it really is an 408w PSU for all intents and purposes, as we gamers/enthusiasts care 99.9% about the 12v rail wattage. GPU's, sound cards, CPUs, cooling systems, overclocking, ALL go on the 12v rail. The Antec Earthwatts has two 12v rails as opposed to one, and has 528w on the 12v rail. The Antec is 120w more powerful on the 12v rail, so when you get the Corsair, and have a system that needs 450w, and you burn out and wonder why when your PSU was 500w, it probably has to do with the less-than-optimal quality of it and the fact that the 12v rails on it were so weak.

I'm not being a fanboy, but the Antec Earthwatts is really the only option for the budget builder at the moment. They are usually pretty expensive, actually, but a lot of sales at the moment for them are making them really affordable.

Not to mention you realyl don't need a 500w PSU, the 430 is more than enough power, but whatever.

Why are you getting a Hyper 212 CoolerMaster? As someone who has one, I can tell you that I actually created more problems with it than solved. I didn't really know exactly what I was doing when I got it, and my Northbridge and VRM temperatures rose - this is because tower cooling has air 'pass through' whereas the stock cooler is radial, meaning the whole motherboard gets cooled. Unless you have a bunch of case fans to go with the coolermaster to make up for the reduced motherboard cooling, I would recommend against the CoolerMaster. I would suggest you get a $20 or cheaper radial cooling that blows 'down' on the motherboard, if any aftermarket HSF, for a friend. Let them figure out what they need. A lot of the AMD CPU's stay pretty cool when overclocked, meaning they will be limited by voltage or stability before temps.

And I don't know if I agree with the CPU choice. Is your friend a big overclocker who wants to take big risks? I would never suggest giving something like a BE to a friend, who may or may not be able to take advantage of the overclocking, and who may end up with a CPU that doesn't overclock much and ends up being dissapointed. For $10 less, you can get an AMD Athlon II x3 3.2ghz, and an extra core > L3 cache.

As for the motherboard you picked, its MUCH better than the last motherboard you chose but there are better out there.
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The build I described is less than $400. it's a better GPU by a huge margin that Ramfan's list, and the GPU is the most important thing for gaming (besides CPU intensive games like SC2, in which case an Athlon II x3 is more than enough power to play everything maxed). And it's only $10 more GPU. It can play Crysis 2 at max.

As for RamFans mobo+cpu combo, the combo for an Athlon II x3 which either overclocks to 3.8+ to 4ghz easily or unlocks easily, is way cheaper. Theres no reason to get dual sli setup on a mobo, and if you do need that you need to spend more than $700 for the setup (ie not a gift setup). you can also look at my signature to see what I have, I play crysis 2 and sc2 at max everything.
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Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
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Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
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Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
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Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
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Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
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Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
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Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 830 128gb Corsair H110 w/4x 140mm Yate Loon High Blues W7 x64 Ultimate Yarrgh Matey Dell U2312HM Matte IPS 1080p 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Bitfenix Shinobi Modded CM Storm Spawn Steelseries Diablo 3 2 set CD Speaker + Big Sub 
Other
Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
Other
Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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