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Now, I feel bad that this is my first post in this forum, as I've not yet contributed a thing, and I'm going to be asking people's opinions. If it is totally rude, please let me know.

Anyway, I'm building a new machine, my first in a long time, and I want it to be "perfect"

So far I've purchased an Asus P8P67 Deluxe, i7 2600k, and 8GB of Corsair Vengeance 1866 (2x 4GB). I plan to eventually upgrade that to 16. My goal is to have a great gaming machine that loads software as fast as possible. I also hope to be able to use it as an XBMC "server" for the computers I'm building for my roommates. I will be booting Windows 7, and possibly XBMC Live

1) Video Card(s):
Now, I know what I want my system to be able to do, but I'm having extreme difficulty figuring out exactly which parts to get. It will be used for gaming, so I don't know if it'd be better to get 2 GTX 470s in SLI, or get one 570 for now, and in a year or so, add another one.

Now, I know that is more or less a subjective question, but the next isn't:

2) My case/psu
I plan to run RAID 0 for my OS with 2 SSD drives (which I still haven't determined). Eventually, I may upgrade that to RAID 10, and use 4 SSD drives. From what I've read, the OCZ Vertex 2 very rarely fails, but I've also read of people failing after only a few months.

Anyway, to the point. I hope to run RAID 5 for my storage drives. I want to have a minimum of 6 2tb drives, but eventually, I know I will want a total of 10. I will be using Windows 7, and although Windows won't allow me to do this, I've read of people accomplishing this from the BIOS.

I want to have, at minimum 6 3.5" drives, and 2 2.5" drives. At maximum, it would be 10 and 4, respectively. I'm not trying to spend more than $300 - $350 for a tower. From my research, there are very few towers that support what I want without modifications, and they are either very ugly, or far too bulky. I have 27.5 inches of height where the tower will go.

Ultimately, I want the smallest tower possible (which I know, is relative), but ideally, I'd like it to have glass on the side to see in, so I can make use of LED fans.

And as far as the PSU goes, from what I've read, the 570 can use upwards of 600 watts at Full stress. I don't want buy a PSU, only to have to replace it in a year after more upgrades. So, basically, with the i7 2600k, 16 GB of 1866 ram, if I use the 570, do you think this machine (when finished) will be able to run the highest stressing game with full detail? If so, do you think I would need a 1250 watt PSU? Because basically, I think I could get away with 1000 (although I'm not positive), but if I eventually run 2 570s in SLI (along with the ~10 HDDs), I feel like I may need 1250. And as far as brands go, I keep getting totally different opinions in the way of reviews.

Alright, well again, I kind of feel bad having this be my first post. If anyone wants to take the time to help me, I'd greatly appreciate it. While it's easy for me to physically put a computer together, I'll admit I don't know as much about hardware as I did 10 years ago.

Cheers, and thanks for any input.
    
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First I would like to say welcome to OCN. Dont feel bad for asking about a new build. Thats why we all come here. For advice and to help one another out.

Lets see, what I can offer up.

A nice mid tower case : corsair 650d - has a window (brand new / little pricey) corsair 600t - can buy the side panel for 30$ another great looking case with plenty of room for cable management. Some people like the Haf 922 and its baby brother 912.

Now about that power supply. 1250 is way over kill for a 570. Even if you had 2. You can run 2 460 in sli on a good 700+ watt psu. Same goes for that 570. I would reccomend 750-850w for future proofing, but you would only need 1000+ if you plan on going triple sli. Dont cheap out on the PSU.
Corsair and Seasonic are what you want.


For your Hard drives go with Samsung F3's or WD Blacks. Great Drives. Hope this helps a bit.
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Yes it does very much! Thank you. I'm in need of rest for work tomorrow; I'll look into those recommendations, and get back. Thanks again!

EDIT: Just saw that rift tag; I just started getting into it. I'm a rogue, just purchased my second role. Right now I'm blade dancer/sin/rift
My second role I'm thinking more ranged, bard ranger etc.
hehe first MMO - hell, first game I've played in a while; I'm just getting back into em
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OK, so after some research, I was able to locate the HAF X tower. The dimensions, while large, will allow for it to fit. It only has 5 internal 3.5 as opposed to 6 with the 650d you showed me, but it also has 2 internal 2.5 bays.

Now, my questions are, why is the HAF X tower cheaper, and is it possible to convert some of those 5.25 bays to 3.5? It has 6 5.25 drives, and I know that normally it is possible to convert them, but this tower has this strange locking mechanism for the 5.25 drive bays.
I very much like the way that tower looks, plus its USB 3.0 ports and components to hide the wiring. And, even though it's bigger, I'll be able to get some nice LED'ing in there down the line; plus, water cooling, from what I've read, is good with that tower. If I could somehow convert those 5.25 drive bays, then I'd almost definitely get it. (Who needs 6 optical drives anyway? Why do so many computers come with more than 2 5.25 bays?)

I plan on buying a tower, 2 SSDs, 3 more HDDs, and the PSU this weekend and put the system together with an old Radeon 5750 just to get it running and install an OS on it.

Oh, shoot - one more thing. As far as RAID 5 goes, is it possible to set it up with drives that already have data on it. For example, I have 2 full caviar green 2tb drives. I want to get 3 more caviar blacks and set up RAID 5 for those. Is it possible to set up RAID 5 from the BIOS like this, or do the drives have to be formatted beforehand?

Again, thank you Krymore, and anyone else who checks this thread out. Over the last 12 hours, I've come to realize that I may spend far more time on these forums than I ought to lol
    
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OK, so after some research, I was able to locate the HAF X tower. The dimensions, while large, will allow for it to fit. It only has 5 internal 3.5 as opposed to 6 with the 650d you showed me, but it also has 2 internal 2.5 bays.

Now, my questions are, why is the HAF X tower cheaper, and is it possible to convert some of those 5.25 bays to 3.5? It has 6 5.25 drives, and I know that normally it is possible to convert them, but this tower has this strange locking mechanism for the 5.25 drive bays.
I very much like the way that tower looks, plus its USB 3.0 ports and components to hide the wiring. And, even though it's bigger, I'll be able to get some nice LED'ing in there down the line; plus, water cooling, from what I've read, is good with that tower. If I could somehow convert those 5.25 drive bays, then I'd almost definitely get it. (Who needs 6 optical drives anyway? Why do so many computers come with more than 2 5.25 bays?)

I plan on buying a tower, 2 SSDs, 3 more HDDs, and the PSU this weekend and put the system together with an old Radeon 5750 just to get it running and install an OS on it.

Oh, shoot - one more thing. As far as RAID 5 goes, is it possible to set it up with drives that already have data on it. For example, I have 2 full caviar green 2tb drives. I want to get 3 more caviar blacks and set up RAID 5 for those. Is it possible to set up RAID 5 from the BIOS like this, or do the drives have to be formatted beforehand?

Again, thank you Krymore, and anyone else who checks this thread out. Over the last 12 hours, I've come to realize that I may spend far more time on these forums than I ought to lol
1) HAF X is cheaper because it is smaller, lighter (I think), and less refined than the Corsair. Compare it to a Nissan Murano and a Infiniti FX35 -- they are both very nice and similar, however, the FX35 is just slightly more refined.

That being said, the HAF X is extremely functional and its look is liked by some--not all. I wasn't crazy about it to be honest, but its incredibly spacious and functional.

2) You can purchase hard drive cages: http://goo.gl/blmNE
This will fit three hard drives and bring cool air into your case (as well as cool your HDs)

3) You cannot migrate your information on your drives now into RAID without moving the data onto a new drive first. Short answer: no. When you setup a RAID, you destroy all of the partitions on the drive and effectively lose all of your data on the drive.
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Thank you PeaceMaker. As for the RAID, would it be possible for me to use 3 new drives, set them up for raid, move the data from the 2 other drives onto them, and then format those 2 drives, and add them to the raid?
    
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