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I do not hate this game, I do not hate Bioware, and I have legitimate issues with this game. This game is a C or B title, from a developer known for AAA which I think exacerbates things a bit.
I agree with just about every point you made. I've got over 30 hours in the game. It's fairly enjoyable. But there are major issues with the game. Certainly nowhere near the quality of DAO. I think it's a combination of being rushed out the door and being bastardized so that it becomes "accessible" to more people. When you go in one direction with a game and then the complete opposite with a supposed sequel, that's not going to make people happy.
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To the people accusing us of not playing the game and judging it based on reviews. On what criteria do you purchase your games? Out of the blue? Because not all of us can afford doing that.

Most of us can only use the reviews to decide whether it's a good game or not. Either that or use another form of 'testing' if you know what I mean. But that kind is heavily frowned upon here.



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Why does that matter? It doesn't.


Why does that matter either? Does it really matter to you if the dialog choices were in a list or around a wheel?

But you still have 3 classes so I don't see why that matters that much. There's more than enough dialog options that Bioware had to record for without having to worry about recording for 2 other races.
It's a fantasy role-playing game. If it doesn't have those things, what game will?
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funker, did bioware just hire you recently? I could comment on your posts, but i doubt any of it will get through to you. People have problems with the game, and they are legit.
Funny, someone just accused me of doing the same thing for Valve. I'm sure someone is on the verge of doing it for Crysis 2. If Bethesda could make a game that RUNS, I'd of argued with the Fallout 1 & 2 fanboys too. In most cases I'm either arguing against haters or PC elitists with a continual underlying themes.

- Too many idiots expect Developers to run their business like a charity, or at best, a non-profit.

- Too many idiots value graphics over gameplay

- Too many idiots overspend on their GPU, then get mad when XYZ game doesn't justify their purchase

- Too many idiots expect other gamers and devs to subsidize cutting edge graphics so the top 1% of gamers can be wowed.


But i digress. Don't make the argument about me, make it about what I say. I never once said the game is perfect, nor did I say that everyone should like it. I said it was a solid game. If I were to rate it, I'd give it a B. 85 out of 100. When it comes to people with valid reasons I question what they feel makes the title weak. The only one to give even a HINT at knowing what they're talking about is RagingCain, and even he hasn't gotten the hang of it. I know I didn't until midway to Act 2.

What I've been saying is that people who haven't played this game for at least 3 or 4 hrs need to ****. Valve titles, Crytek titles, Bioware titles, Blizzard titles, I don't care what it is, i'm just tired of people whining about games they haven't played, games that aren't even out or sequels that are slightly changed. The exaggeration is so constant and so over the top that I'd almost think people were trolling. A 4.0 score is appropriate for DA2? DA2 is the worst game of all time? Really?! If I just spent the last 2 yrs of my life working on this project and saw it getting trolled on Metacritic, I'd do the same thing!

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To the people accusing us of not playing the game and judging it based on reviews. On what criteria do you purchase your games? Out of the blue? Because not all of us can afford doing that.

Most of us can only use the reviews to decide whether it's a good game or not. Either that or use another form of 'testing' if you know what I mean. But that kind is heavily frowned upon here.
The point is, how can people gripe SO much with SO much conviction without having played it? Your opinion means jack if you haven't. If all you're doing is parroting the review you most assume is correct, then why don't you just post a link to the review and be done with it? What kills your position is the assumption. You ASSUME some review or the blurb from others on the forums is 100% correct and argue as such when what you SHOULD be doing is asking questions. Notice when I ask the haters specific reasons why they hate it, aside from RagingCain, all they can come up with is drivel and non-specific responses.

I like this game, I'm definitely not in the popular hater crowd and yet I've already critiqued it in depth more than the haters have!
http://www.overclock.net/video-game-...l#post12724980

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It's a fantasy role-playing game. If it doesn't have those things, what game will?
Lots of fantasy role-playing games don't let you pick races or even classes. Not every RPG needs to have separate classes AND races. It creates too many dialog and story options, not to mention the hundreds of hours they'd probably spend creating unique storylines and playability for each race. THEN the hours they'd spend polishing the gameplay of each....

My bet is that the feedback they got on DA:O was that vast majority of players played as a human.
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funker, did bioware just hire you recently? I could comment on your posts, but i doubt any of it will get through to you. People have problems with the game, and they are legit.
I don't think so. Judging by his replies though he is coming off as a console gamer and/or is not a huge fan of RPGs. So he just doesn't understand where we are coming from and why we are upset.
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I don't think so. Judging by his replies though he is coming off as a console gamer and/or is not a huge fan of RPGs. So he just doesn't understand where we are coming from and why we are upset.
No. I game almost exclusively on PC, i'm just not a PC elitist like you guys are, IE, i don't root for the PC base like a fan roots for a sports team. If it wasn't for friends of mine giving me a Ps3 as a babyshower gift, I wouldn't have a console at all. I have exactly 2 Ps3 games and 70 games registered through Steam.

I've also been playing RPG games since the first Final Fantasy came out, so you're wrong there too.

Are you two done with the ad hominem yet?

I understand why you're upset but I can't stand the unrealistic expectations and exaggeration.
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Just had to pipe in.

I'm loving DA2. The demo showed that the game was more action paced (almost ME2 style so I knew what I was getting in terms of combat).

And to people saying DA:O was great compared to DA2. Bring me back my Baldur's Gate! DA:O is weak! The loss of RPG elements from DA:O to DA2 seems less than from BG2 to DA:O.
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The point is, how can people gripe SO much with SO much conviction without having played it? Your opinion means jack if you haven't. If all you're doing is parroting the review you most assume is correct, then why don't you just post a link to the review and be done with it? What kills your position is the assumption. You ASSUME some review or the blurb from others on the forums is 100% correct and argue as such when what you SHOULD be doing is asking questions. Notice when I ask the haters specific reasons why they hate it, aside from RagingCain, all they can come up with is drivel and non-specific responses.
I'm just complaining about the features of the game that I saw from the reviews, such as the one I mentioned above. (the hitler rant pretty much summed it up). Those don't need me to play the game (seeing as how I already played ME1 and 2)

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Lots of fantasy role-playing games don't let you pick races or even classes. Not every RPG needs to have separate classes AND races. It creates too many dialog and story options, not to mention the hundreds of hours they'd probably spend creating unique storylines and playability for each race. THEN the hours they'd spend polishing the gameplay of each....
I never asked for a new game. A DA:O clone would have been better than this. If they're too lazy to remake a new DA:O, well I just lost all respect for Bioware.

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My bet is that the feedback they got on DA:O was that vast majority of players played as a human.
And a lot more people played Call of Duty. Maybe they should ditch RPGs and make an FPS?



My main concern is, if even Bioware is no longer making hardcore RPGs, then who will?
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I never asked for a new game. A DA:O clone would have been better than this. If they're too lazy to remake a new DA:O, well I just lost all respect for Bioware.
If they just cloned DA:O they'd have MORE haters than they do now.

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And a lot more people played Call of Duty. Maybe they should ditch RPGs and make an FPS?
Non Sequitur. That is in no way relevant to Bioware, DA:O or DA2. They took the feedback that was RELEVANT to their title and tried to use that to create a better experience for their customers. If 80% of their customers ( just a guess ) stayed with the human race, the $2million in programming ( another guess ) they spent on creating the elf and dwarf classes could be better put toward something everyone enjoys.

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My main concern is, if even Bioware is no longer making hardcore RPGs, then who will?
Bauldur's Gate 2 aside, they never really did make HARDCORE RPGs. They've always excelled at giving you a few options on your character and a few options on the storyline and providing a very polished experience.

Maybe you might want to just go back to old school D&D.
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If they just cloned DA:O they'd have MORE haters than they do now.



Non Sequitur. That is in no way relevant to Bioware, DA:O or DA2. They took the feedback that was RELEVANT to their title and tried to use that to create a better experience for their customers. If 80% of their customers ( just a guess ) stayed with the human race, the $2million in programming ( another guess ) they spent on creating the elf and dwarf classes could be better put toward something everyone enjoys.
What I meant was, if they went by what their audience wanted, they'd just wind up with another Call of Duty (but as an RPG). Most people who play RPGs don't do it because they are RPGs, but rather just for fun.

Personally I played as an elf and I enjoyed all the various dialogue options that it gave me. Also for example playing as a mage and being able to choose whether you want to do blood magic or not.

It's these extra things in games that make them stand out.

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Bauldur's Gate 2 aside, they never really did make HARDCORE RPGs. They've always excelled at giving you a few options on your character and a few options on the storyline and providing a very polished experience.

Maybe you might want to just go back to old school D&D.
Let's not forget Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2. Although they don't hold a candle to BA2, they are to me, and despite their outdated graphics, much better than DA2 and even DA:O.

I do want an old school RPG (not necessarily D&D) They were great. I don't see a reason why they stopped doing them.
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@Funk

I get most of your arguments, but 90% of them are invalid because you assumed I was basing it of a DA:O (Elf Mage btw... Circle of Magii ftw!) being a better game. I personally thought DA:O was a watered down RPG, but it was nice for them to return closer to their own D&D origins/core RPG elements.

Here are a list of titles I own still and have played / thoroughly beaten that Bioware have had their hands in:
  • Baldur's Gate
  • Expansion: Baldur's Gate - Tales of the Sword Coast
  • Baldur's Gate II - Shadows of Amn
  • Expansion: Baldur's Gate II - Throne of Bhaal
  • *Assisted in Icewind Dale
  • *Assisted in Icewind Dale II
  • Neverwinter Nights
  • Expansion: Shadows of Undrentide
  • Expansion: Hordes of the Underdark
  • *Assisted in other expansions.
  • *Assisted in Neverwinter Nights II
  • StarWars: Knights of the Old Republic <- Personal Favorite
  • *Assisted in SWKOTOR II
  • Jade Empire <- New IP that was very well received.
  • Mass Effect <- New IP that was very well received.
  • Dragon Age: Origins <- New IP that was okay received.
  • DA:O DLC + Awakening <- DLC + Expansion received mediocre reviews.
  • Mass Effect 2 <- Sequel, good story, complaints arise with some loss of RPG elements.
  • ME2 DLC <- Hit or miss on some DLC, some was good or bad.
  • Dragon Age 2 <- Sequel, good story, complaints arise with even more loss of RPG elements, only on a much larger scale than ME2.

Side Note: I just tried the demo of DA2 out on the console, and it plays better with a controller, especially with auto-attack. Graphics are hideous though.

On all but the latest ones, you have had nearly full control of your character, his looks, and his class. DA:O invited the optional beginning story lines for the first time, only to pull them the next game, despite being one of the most appreciated things brought about in the new IP. You have always had great influence on the story line, protagonist alignment, dialogue, and story. Thats an essential ingredient of an RPG. The story exists because of YOU the player and it is heavily manipulated by you and your actions.

I think most of the problem here is you really like the game, and have entered the realm of a fanboi, so welcome to the Bioware fanboy club, I have been here for a decade already. I am glad you like the game and you get the benefit of getting your monies worth.

I did not. I am deeply disappointed with it, like others but I have already gone over why, nothing you said makes any difference in how I feel about the game. Don't let your love of a video game make you arrogant, or all knowing as to why people don't like the game. You have no evidence that all the "haters haven't played the game", I am one said hater and I am now about 30 hours in still caught on another game crashing bug. I would have reviewed this game as a 7 on metacritic had I felt compelled too, but since the scores are skewed already, its like voting in a land slide and rather pointless. The official game reviews, that gave 90~100 for Bioware's other games seem so biased I don't know what to think. Up until this point I have been in complete agreement with their opinions of Biowares titles. This game has definitely split fan base in half if not more for sure. My review score keeps going down as more problems I keep finding.

People have boycotted this game because they hated the direction the game took as well are allowed to voice their opinions too. If you go this route, you can't make dynamic arguments about a titles mechanics like I can, but thats a valid reason not to even buy the game. Why support a developer on a title game / you don't want?

P.S. This game cost $60 (to 99% of us.) There is no charity here, we paid the AAA price for AAA quality that is not there so we have a right to complain. No matter how you look at it, this game was rushed, and its sad.
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