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He doesn't plan (or want) to overclock, so I saved him the money and just went with the normal edition CPU.

You could overclock it when you build it. I literally bumped up the multiplier, turned off cool & quiet, and am sitting at 4.0 with my 965BE. Its not hard at all.

If he wants to build this thing for BF3, i would wait until Bulldozer is out at the very least. Makes no sense to build a rig for a future game on tech that will be very obsolete by the time the game comes out.
    
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There is a directish upgrade to AMD FX series, you would have to buy a new board and CPU if you have AM3 platform but that is about it.
If you buy an AM3+ board already (they will be out very soon), you can upgrade to AMD FX series with no board changes.
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If you aren't going to overclock this machine and it is intended for gaming, an i3-2100 would be a far better choice. It's $20 cheaper and out-performs any AMD CPU at any price at stock clocks in ~99% of games.

If you want to stick to the AMD build anyways, don't waste money on a mobo with unnecessary features (like integrated GPU), and use a combo special.
Like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.614536

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a 2-core, 4-thread CPU would not even come close to a proper 4-core or 6-core CPU in games that utilise multithreading - there are plenty now, including Crysis 2 - which shows that in recent tests that AMD CPUs will equal or outperform Intel variants at their stock clocks. Plus, there would be no way to OC the i3 2100, something that might not appeal to most users.
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a 2-core, 4-thread CPU would not even come close to a proper 4-core or 6-core CPU in games that utilise multithreading - there are plenty now, including Crysis 2 - which shows that in recent tests that AMD CPUs will equal or outperform Intel variants at their stock clocks. Plus, there would be no way to OC the i3 2100, something that might not appeal to most users.
An individual core of an i3-2100 is ~50-60% more productive than an individual core found in an equally priced Phenom II 925. That per core performance produces better results in most games, even modern games that are multi-core optimized will perform better on an i3-2100 than a similarly priced higher core count AMD.

It has been made clear that this computer is not likely to be overclocked. The benches I have seen show the i3-2100 to be the clear winner dollar for dollar at stock clocks in gaming. In fact, it beats more expensive AMDs even in crysis.

If this were the comparison of the $140 955 vs the $120-150 i3-5XX series, you would be right. Sandy Bridge changes things, and for this specific build, it represents a better value.

$200 1090T vs $120 i3-2100
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Produ...61.62.47.48.49

$160 965 vs $120 i3-2100
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Produ...49.50.60.61.62

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An individual core of an i3-2100 is ~50-60% more productive than an individual core found in an equally priced Phenom II 925. That per core performance produces better results in most games, even modern games that are multi-core optimized will perform better on an i3-2100 than a similarly priced higher core count AMD.

It has been made clear that this computer is not likely to be overclocked. The benches I have seen show the i3-2100 to be the clear winner dollar for dollar at stock clocks in gaming. In fact, it beats more expensive AMDs even in crysis.

If this were the comparison of the $140 955 vs the $120-150 i3-5XX series, you would be right. Sandy Bridge changes things, and for this specific build, it represents a better value.

$200 1090T vs $120 i3-2100
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Produ...61.62.47.48.49

$160 965 vs $120 i3-2100
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Produ...49.50.60.61.62

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Very slight overclock of both processors. Pwned, and a performance return you could not get back from Sandy Bridge unless purchasing an expensive i5 2500k or so. You're left with little options if you get an LGA1155 platform with a lower end CPU. Not to mention properly multithreaded games would destroy the 2100k from the start. I definitely don't recommend it.

The 2100k is a much newer platform than AM3 but the difference really isn't big enough to be noticeable in most cases, so it's a somewhat unfair comparison. AMD's A-Series APU and FX-Series powerhouse are both going to be out by June, I'm confident both will stand up nicely to SB.
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Very slight overclock of both processors. Pwned,
It's not being OCed

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and a performance return you could not get back from Sandy Bridge unless purchasing an expensive i5 2500k or so.
Again, not being OCed,

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You're left with little options if you get an LGA1155 platform with a lower end CPU.
Please explain "little options."

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Not to mention properly multithreaded games would destroy the 2100k from the start.
Gaming benchmarks tell a different story. As I have already provided links to. Rather than simply speculated about.
There are also many games out there that are heavily CPU dependent but NOT optimized for multi-core setups that need per-core performance... SC2 as a great example.

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I definitely don't recommend it.
You're shooting from the hip.

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The 2100k is a much newer platform than AM3 but the difference really isn't big enough to be noticeable in most cases, so it's a somewhat unfair comparison.
I'm trying to figure out how it's "not fair" to compare this hardware... Like AMD gets immunity until their new good hit the sales floor? Doesn't work that way. Fair is open free competition.

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AMD's A-Series APU and FX-Series powerhouse are both going to be out by June, I'm confident both will stand up nicely to SB.
Very likely yes. I am very excited to see what AMD brings to the table.

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