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Maybe they'll invest money into fusion reactor research?
You've been playig too much SimCity


Can't help but feel this is knee-jerk - what are they going to do with the unspent fuel rods currently in use in the reactors? You've still got the same cooling issues, as the Japanese plant is currently finding out in reactor 4...
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The problem is green energy:

Dams require blocking water ways and creating reservoirs that flood land requiring people to be relocated.

Wind energy...some argue that large wind farms can alter wind patterns and interferes with migratory birds. Also, wind only produces when there is wind and if wind speeds are too high turbines are shutdown to avoid damage.

We need a better source of power that can meet demand and I don't think these "green" options will work for what we'll need. Nuclear is our best bet at this point.
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Hmm, like a better nuclear central? The only other thing I can think of that is green, effective and not tooo expensive is hydro-electricity, but then, you need rivers
Rivers..I think there is the Ocean you can consider also lol.

Nuclear can be replaced, it would take time to get other measures in place, Germany has done it already so I see no problem, the problem is that some are not even willing to try but I cannot go into that as its political.

I think after this Japan may even consider moving forward with greener/safer technologies.
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The problem is green energy:

Dams require blocking water ways and creating reservoirs that flood land requiring people to be relocated.

Wind energy...some argue that large wind farms can alter wind patterns and interferes with migratory birds. Also, wind only produces when there is wind and if wind speeds are too high turbines are shutdown to avoid damage.

We need a better source of power that can meet demand and I don't think these "green" options will work for what we'll need. Nuclear is our best bet at this point.

Wind farms are safe and work just fine. Denmark has huge wind farms off the coast that don’t effect birds or wind patterns. China also has a large amount of wind farms.

Solar is another safe alternative and is getting more and more efficient as the technology progresses. Heck I live in Florida where it’s sunny 300 days out of the year, yet we have very little solar power. Even new houses don’t have solar panels.

The problem is our energy policy. It’s all about oil. Big oil will make sure that they can squeeze as much money out of oil for as long as possible. While they are making all that money, they are buying up these alternative technologies so they will control them to. My electrical company progressive energy has all ready started buying solar farms so they can charge you for the something that should be free (think of it like bottle water). They are also working on laws that prevent people from creating their own energy. I am not going to get into the specifics but its true.
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Solar power......
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You've been playig too much SimCity


Can't help but feel this is knee-jerk - what are they going to do with the unspent fuel rods currently in use in the reactors? You've still got the same cooling issues, as the Japanese plant is currently finding out in reactor 4...
That was my first thought. This seems like a decision based solely on FUD as a political maneuver.
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You've been playig too much SimCity


Can't help but feel this is knee-jerk - what are they going to do with the unspent fuel rods currently in use in the reactors? You've still got the same cooling issues, as the Japanese plant is currently finding out in reactor 4...
No they don't, This is a controlled shutdown with all the cooling systems in place. The Japanese plants had their cooling systems fail.

Nuclear power is actually very safe, the reactors in Japan that failed where made by General Electric. If you look at the designs the reactor's safety system is lacking. They make cheap reactors that everyone buys. One of the Japanese reactors failed to SCRAM, the control rods never made it all the way into the core. Reactors that are based on the CANDU design will not have this problem, the fuel in the CANDU reactors are not enriched, if the tubes get dented or moved in anyway then the whole thing stops, the fuel just can't sustain a chain reaction while the GE ones will keep reacting, this is why they had to pump in all the water and boron, the boron makes up for the failure to SCRAM (while of course cooling the fuel).
Edited by Darkknight512 - 3/15/11 at 8:12am
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I'm pretty sure that if you use the right systems, have the required land space, and can pump the money into it - you can use a combination of Solar & Wind energy to basically power a country. I think it was figured that 500,000 sq. kilometers would be able to power the entire world (via Electricity) in 2030. Use appropriate deserts in the USA, Central america, Africa, and Asia and it's likely that Solar power alone (depending on other natural concerns such as wildlife, other natural disasters, etc) and you could easily power 50% of the world just on that alone I would suspect. If other power forms are able to be used you could at least get rid of the need for nuclear energy if that's your thing. I'm scientifically fond of nuclear energy - however I feel it needs more refinement as the waste is something I'm very much opposed to as we can't get rid of it. If we could at least do the SciFi thing and just rocket the garbage into the sun every 20 years that'd be awesome, but those risks again - are just too great..

That's my $.02 anyways as cluttered as my thoughts are at the moment
 
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From what I remember Germany has been planning to obtain around 33% of it's power generated by solar (and wind?) in the near future. I don't remember the details but there was a PBS show on it a year or so ago. They give large incentives to farm owners to use the land for solar panels. They also have the panels along their highways from what I recall. This may well be just a 'speeding up' of their already ongoing process.
Edited by tout - 3/15/11 at 8:41am
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