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Sorry but you are dead wrong, unless we make major breakthroughs in fusion we have NOTHING that can replace coal/oil aside from nuclear at this time. This isn't a lets really think about this and maybe we can do it. WE CAN'T look at the average power output of wind and solar, even a tiny bit of research will show why it is IMPOSSIBLE to power a major city with them, they are a nice little boost but nothing more and will be nothing more barring some major breakthrough.

The entire issue with the nuclear plants in japan is the cooling systems, the reactors themselves were 100% fine after the quake and tsunami but someone thought it would be a great idea apparently to build the backup generators outside instead of underground along with the reactors and they got knocked out when the waves hit. Unless you want us to have to use more and more coal and oil plants to fill our ever increasing need of energy nuclear is the ONLY answer. I will repeat that ONLY, ONLY, ONLY answer. Do you have any idea how many windmills and solar panels would have to be built to replace even one of those generators? I guess Germany doesn't want any open country side anymore because they are gonna have to build hundreds of thousands of windmills and solar panels to replace all the power they are about to lose.
Gorvenments want to make you think that solar and wind are the way of the future (at least here in Europe). Even EDF (the national electricity compay in France) would want you to thik they produced a lot with the "new energies" like they call them, while we produce 85% of our energy through nuclear power and less than 5 through solar and wind. There's even a law which forces EDF to buy your power produced by solar panels at a lost for them.
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Read my post you quoted.

Nothing wrong with LOOKING at alternatives.

I bolded it for you to help you see it
I completely agree that there is nothing wrong with looking, and I didn't mean to come off rude like I think I did after rereading that last part. But as of now, people want to reduce our carbon emissions which is a good call imo. Thing is most of these people who want to do that also want to block nuclear.(most of them without actually understanding a thing about it aside from nuclear=bad Chernobyl=bad) The entire issue arises that as of now there is nothing we can replace our coal and oil plants with aside from nuclear(as of now and the foreseeable future) and it just annoys me with the irony of it all.

Like I said wind and solar are a great boost and can take a little load off major power sources but barring major breakthroughs in fusion which isn't looking to happen anytime soon there is nothing better than nuclear. Yes it has its faults but as already said the reactors were fine in japan it was only the cooling system that was built in the stupidest place possible, all modern plants have their generators underground, all modern plants have far stricter safety policies than were in place in japan, all modern plants have multiple backups for the cooling systems rather than the one backup that the Japanese plants had. That is what annoys me most, people base all of nuclear power on issues that happen in 40+ year old plants that are a joke safety wise compared to what we are building now.

Lastly I think replacing old plants would be a great idea, because as I have said safety wise they have improved by quite a bit. But the fact that governments are getting scared away from it because of issues in a plant that as already said is a joke safety wise compared to what we build now is just stupid. They are simply running away from our only truly legitimate option as of now to replace coal/oil.
Edited by scyy - 3/15/11 at 2:55pm
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Gorvenments want to make you think that solar and wind are the way of the future (at least here in Europe).
Wind is. Solar is not until further improvements are done.


In Denmark they have 8.5 Megawatt wind turbines that run full speed ahead with winds of only 18 knots if memory serves.

That sir, is the biggest renewable energy density ever achieved.


About the nuclear power. Well, it is indeed the only viable way to go until we find a viable alternative. Their energy density is so damn high, it is our only factible way to produce current without massive environmental harm nowadays.
   
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We will move away from Nuclear one day so all is cool, Fusion is something I would like to see more about. However Germany really has moved in the right direction with windfarms etc, its nice to see how little the need Nuclear. As the UK is small and we have some of the best Wind and wave power, we could definitely move away from Nuclear, we just need the funds from the ''Right people''
Fusion is far away. Not sure about the wind power over there but the ones they're putting up in ohio suck hardcore. Inefficient space wasting windmills.
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Wind is. Solar is not until further improvements are done.


In Denmark they have 8.5 Megawatt wind turbines that run full speed ahead with winds of only 18 knots if memory serves.

That sir, is the biggest renewable energy density ever achieved.


About the nuclear power. Well, it is indeed the only viable way to go until we find a viable alternative. Their energy density is so damn high, it is our only factible way to produce current without massive environmental harm nowadays.
While wind can be good it still takes up ridiculous amounts of space to generate even a decent amount of power along with the fact that the power generation can be hit or miss depending on weather and wind speeds.
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Countries like Japan don't really have an alternative. If they replaced their 40+ Nuclear reactors with 100-150 coal power plants, their pollution would probably skyrocket. They'd have have to find sites for many new plants.

So far the radiation issues in Japan have been completely negligible. It remains to be seen how it will turn out for them though. The big question is whether or not the incredible efficiency of nuclear power is worth the risk?
I'm a bit confused. Did the plant in japan have the proper saftey measures? The media isn't being clear.

Was the accident because the quake was so bad it made them fail, or was it a old plant?
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I'm a bit confused. Did the plant in japan have the proper saftey measures? The media isn't being clear.

Was the accident because the quake was so bad it made them fail, or was it a old plant?
The reactors were 100% fine and shut down when the quake hit which is what they are supposed to do. Issue was they built the backup generators which control coolant above ground and when the tsunami hit it took them out which caused the reactors not to get cooled which led up to this entire issue. Most modern plants have generators underground, multiple cooling backups and safety wise are overall much better. These plants that are having issues are 40 years old. That's why I'm trying to get the point across to not base nuclear power on issues that have happened in 40+ year old plants like this, Chernobyl and TMI. Had this been a modern plant they could probably be supplying power to Japan again by now.
Edited by scyy - 3/15/11 at 3:30pm
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I'm a bit confused. Did the plant in japan have the proper saftey measures? The media isn't being clear.

Was the accident because the quake was so bad it made them fail, or was it a old plant?
The reactors themselves weren't damaged at all but the back-up diesel generators used for the cooling system after the reactors go into automatic shutdown were knocked out by thge tsunami, all the damage, explosions and possible partial meltdowns are only due to the fact that the cooling system couldn 't work without any power.

Edit:scyy beat me to it, I was checking NHK
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I'm a bit confused. Did the plant in japan have the proper saftey measures? The media isn't being clear.

Was the accident because the quake was so bad it made them fail, or was it a old plant?
Check out the OCN thread covering the situation at the Fukushima NPP, it should answer many questions: http://www.overclock.net/technology-...-coverage.html
     
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