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I knew retarded **** like this would happen. After a 8.9 Earthquake and a 500mph Tsunami and we get a partial meltdown that has had minimal the affect on the environment and people.

Nuclear power is the only way forward atm.

IT IS SAFE.
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Well, I applaud the rapid shut down of obsolescent technology, I'd like to see new reactors constructed to replace them. So, in total, Germany... I am disappoint. Shutting down older and less reliable reactors on an arbitrary age basis (rather than its individual health and technology behind the reactor) is less than optimal, and not building any new ones will really hurt their plans to switch to more alternative sources of energy.
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Well, I applaud the rapid shut down of obsolescent technology, I'd like to see new reactors constructed to replace them. So, in total, Germany... I am disappoint. Shutting down older and less reliable reactors on an arbitrary age basis (rather than its individual health and technology behind the reactor) is less than optimal, and not building any new ones will really hurt their plans to switch to more alternative sources of energy.
They will just have to start buying more energy from France, I bet France is happy that Germany is jumping the gun like this. More money for them.(or at least more money for the energy companies.)
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I like this move. The meltdown in Japan showed that nuclear energy can still have issues in extreme cases, and some action needs to be taken.

In governments do nothing, the whole thing will just go out of control and nuclear power as a whole will be threatened. Germany is basically saying "50 year old technology might not be perfectly safe, so we're moving to new even safer methods for creating nuclear power", and that's the message that needs to be said imo.
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I like this move. The meltdown in Japan showed that nuclear energy can still have issues in extreme cases, and some action needs to be taken.

In governments do nothing, the whole thing will just go out of control and nuclear power as a whole will be threatened. Germany is basically saying "50 year old technology might not be perfectly safe, so we're moving to new even safer methods for creating nuclear power", and that's the message that needs to be said imo.
The thing is the reactors themselves weren't even in any danger despite all the damage that was caused all around them. Had the backup generators been underground rather than above ground this wouldn't even have been an issue. I agree with looking at older plants and finding areas you can improve after seeing this disaster but to just outright shut them down based on an arbitrary age is pointless and likely wasting them lots of money. I don't hear of many tsunamis and 8.9 earthquakes hitting Germany often, do you?
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Solar isnt quite as clean as people think when you look at the entire life cycle of it




One thing i wonder is how much more efficent a nuclear plant would be if built today, alot of plants are only around 33% efficient so i figure there is a lot more untaped energy there, perhaps building more efficient turbines would be a good start.
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Nuclear is the perfect green energy. New reactors are nearly flawless.
Agreed! We need more NEW nuclear reactors.
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I knew retarded **** like this would happen. After a 8.9 Earthquake and a 500mph Tsunami and we get a partial meltdown that has had minimal the affect on the environment and people.

Nuclear power is the only way forward atm.

IT IS SAFE.
Don't try explaining that to a kiwi like me!

I think Nuclear power for energy is fine, but when the governments in question have access to the materials, Nuclear warheads are 1 step away..


But again, that's my opinion.
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I'm pretty sure that if you use the right systems, have the required land space, and can pump the money into it - you can use a combination of Solar & Wind energy to basically power a country. I think it was figured that 500,000 sq. kilometers would be able to power the entire world (via Electricity) in 2030. Use appropriate deserts in the USA, Central america, Africa, and Asia and it's likely that Solar power alone (depending on other natural concerns such as wildlife, other natural disasters, etc) and you could easily power 50% of the world just on that alone I would suspect. If other power forms are able to be used you could at least get rid of the need for nuclear energy if that's your thing. I'm scientifically fond of nuclear energy - however I feel it needs more refinement as the waste is something I'm very much opposed to as we can't get rid of it. If we could at least do the SciFi thing and just rocket the garbage into the sun every 20 years that'd be awesome, but those risks again - are just too great..

That's my $.02 anyways as cluttered as my thoughts are at the moment
You're very close to the real problem. The real problem is not electrical generation; it's electrical transmission.

All conducting wires have some degree of resistance, which limits the distance that electricity can be transmitted. As a result, generating plants have to be built fairly close to the population centers that use the power; and that increases the risks for nuclear facilities.

The biggest scientific breakthrough we could hope to see in our lifetimes is not a fusion reactor; it's a superconducting material that works at outdoor temperatures. As soon as such a material exists, we can go ahead and turn Nevada into the world's largest solar farm, and power the entire continent.
    
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You're very close to the real problem. The real problem is not electrical generation; it's electrical transmission.

All conducting wires have some degree of resistance, which limits the distance that electricity can be transmitted. As a result, generating plants have to be built fairly close to the population centers that use the power; and that increases the risks for nuclear facilities.

The biggest scientific breakthrough we could hope to see in our lifetimes is not a fusion reactor; it's a superconducting material that works at outdoor temperatures. As soon as such a material exists, we can go ahead and turn Nevada into the world's largest solar farm, and power the entire continent.
There is that along with the fact that we have no real means to effectively store electricity so you would be stuck with only being able to use that farm during the day. There are many hurdles we need to pass to make solar a truly viable source. I'm not saying it's not going to happen because as far as power generation goes it does make a lot of sense but we are still quite a ways away from that.
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Talk about an irrational knee jerk reaction.
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