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Thanks xd_1771

Really getting sick of people like that.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128485


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Still I think that's a solid indicator that BD is indeed on the way.

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This is indeed an exciting case..

First of all, I haven't read anywhere that MSI is gonna make its boards AM3+ with just a bios update. AFAIK, it's just ASUS.


The thing confusing me it's the ultimate lack of update. ASUS advertise this on low profile and keep advertising. If it would be a typo/engineering mistake by them, they would withdraw it long ago. Because they are surely getting X amounts of heat from every corner right now.

If this topic is so heatly debated in here, what do you think ASUS directors/engineers are receiving from other manufacturers, AMD and other kind of sources? But they are still staying behind their their promise.


On the other hand, in case everything is peachy, how come no other manufacturer does the same? Mobo manufacturers aren't famous for their "creativity". I just cannot believe that only ASUS engineers were able to find this trick. Furthermore, such a trick would mean a revolutionary success by them, why not adverstising it more? Why not supplying more information and making a new statement, like ;

"Our customers should not worry despite all the negative rumours. The mentioned boards WILL support new kind of AMD CPU's, that's ASUS' promise"

?



So both sides of this stick is very uncertain me thinks. If what ASUS is adverstising is practically impossible, every AMD-worker would figure it out. They would just throw a prototype Bulldozer into an ASUS board and would see if it fits or not. In case Bulldozer is REALLY not fitting into those boards, AMD should have already make a new statement, telling that "some of the rumours about the backwards compatibility is NOT possible". or at least "it would perform MUCH worse, so it wouldn't be wise to use this".


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There was another article before on a foreign site. There is also the ominous "AM3+ CPU support" tag on the new 890FXA-GD65
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I was honestly going to switch to Intel Ivy Bridge at the end of this year but Asus have breathed life into my Crosshair IV Formula with this AM3+ update, which I did NOT expect when I bought this motherboard back in January of this year. I bought it with the excuse that it would provide a great base for my current AMD build but I would move to Intel Ivy Bridge (not Sandy Bridge), making it last me about a year anyway.

Now though, I'd be very happy to shove an AMD Bulldozer 8-core CPU into this motherboard to sort me out until something better than Bulldozer and Ivy Bridge is out.
    
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When I spoke with Asus support on the phone about the AM3+ BIOS, they did say that it WAS AMD that made them make the boards that will be supported as they are. The guy even eluded that they were AM3+ Sockets.

THIS PART IS MERELY SPECULATION AND IS MY OWN OPINION:

I mean, Bulldozer is supposed to come out in June/July with all the R&D with making a new MOBO and finding what works, you would think that AMD would have already provided specs on how Bulldozer would seat on the mobo or even supply them with a prototype or mock-up of a chip to Asus, Gigabyte and others a while ago. The companies who make these boards need to know these specs in advance in order to make the product that will support them and then rigorously test them for quality assurance and have them ready to ship on release date. Things like that don't happen over night they take months.

It IS possible that AMD provided a test chip to Asus and other major manufacturers so they can get their AM3+ Products ready in advance, and if Asus were to make a current board with that same basis and TAG it as AM3, they're not technically breaking NDA as long as AMD would give the nod that something would have to prevent people from knowing "what was under the hood" or they'd just use a regular AM3 BIOS with the future option to do a quick flash and have AM3+ compatibility.

Just my 0.02.
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It still doesn't make sense to me that only ASUS does this trick whereas Gigabyte couldn't.

MAYBE Gigabyte and other companies intentionally haven't implemented this option to sell new boards for Bulldozer but that wouldn't make much sense either, as it would decrease CPU sells, meaning AMD wouldn't let this happen.


Considering everyone in the world claims that Bulldozer is gonna have 1 more pin and the current ASUS boards got the usual AM3 socket, my logic says there is something wrong on ASUS claim.

I just cannot believe the possibility of Bulldozers being in fact the same as Phenom's (physical wise), and that info haven't been leaked yet.. for a year!

I'm pretty sure such an obvious fact would be all over internet, considering the chipset is in research/production for about 2 years and there are probably many many prototypes sent to various places.
    
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It still doesn't make sense to me that only ASUS does this trick whereas Gigabyte couldn't.

MAYBE Gigabyte and other companies intentionally haven't implemented this option to sell new boards for Bulldozer but that wouldn't make much sense either, as it would decrease CPU sells, meaning AMD wouldn't let this happen.


Considering everyone in the world claims that Bulldozer is gonna have 1 more pin and the current ASUS boards got the usual AM3 socket, my logic says there is something wrong on ASUS claim.

I just cannot believe the possibility of Bulldozers being in fact the same as Phenom's (physical wise), and that info haven't been leaked yet.. for a year!

I'm pretty sure such an obvious fact would be all over internet, considering the chipset is in research/production for about 2 years and there are probably many many prototypes sent to various places.
Everybody in the world also wants to ignore the fact that the AM3 socket has 941 contact holes and the actual CPU has 938 pins.

I believe if ASUS says it fits, then it fits. They'd get in too much hot water if it they advertised it did and it didn't. Their following is too huge to try and screw it up.
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It still doesn't make sense to me that only ASUS does this trick whereas Gigabyte couldn't.

MAYBE Gigabyte and other companies intentionally haven't implemented this option to sell new boards for Bulldozer but that wouldn't make much sense either, as it would decrease CPU sells, meaning AMD wouldn't let this happen.
Different company, different marketing strategies. Both will sell more boards, Asus will clean out older stock and make way for more newer boards. Gigabyte as far as I know are just popping off the AM3 socket and sticking on a AM3 socket on their current boards. Once more, flushing out old stock. Having a low cost motherboard that is readily available to house your current AMD setup and then Bulldozer upon launch wouldn't decrease CPU sales. If anything it would increase them. Why pay $500 for a mobo in 3-4 months when you can pay $100-200 now and guarantee compatibility minus a few features; or surprise a few people who bought the new motherboards because they just wanted to replace an old AM2+ board. Roughly the same performance just a few less bells and whistles.

If I was a company head and I could save our consumers a butt load of money while still being able to deliver the numbers and benchmarks you want. Why not do it? Sure profits, BUT you would see a massive increase in consumer base and hopefully would land a few life-long new consumers.

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Considering everyone in the world claims that Bulldozer is gonna have 1 more pin and the current ASUS boards got the usual AM3 socket, my logic says there is something wrong on ASUS claim.
Once more, what IF AMD told Asus to put a AM3+ Socket on those boards that will be compatible? Remember those were just recently released a few months ago and there's only a small handful of them. Then all they have to do is flash the BIOS and bang, entry level Bulldozer right from the get go. From a marketing perspective, its genius. Cater to the hardcore AM3 crowd who want an immediate up and then cater to the ones who like to hold their cards and wait and see. I mean, hey lets say you just bought a Crosshair IV Extreme and then you heard about bulldozer past your 30 day return. Crap, can't get the shiny new toy...BUT WAIT, with a quick flash of the BIOS you can have the latest and greatest!? You'd feel really excited and enthused about that company and how well they're taking care of their customers right?

Marketing my friend marketing.

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I just cannot believe the possibility of Bulldozers being in fact the same as Phenom's (physical wise), and that info haven't been leaked yet.. for a year!

I'm pretty sure such an obvious fact would be all over internet, considering the chipset is in research/production for about 2 years and there are probably many many prototypes sent to various places.
^ Above points hit at the meat of this one. But of course, im sure AMD would have only released the vitals to motherboard manufacturers and that only the high ups would know of the details that and they probably have a deathgrip on the schematics xD
Edited by Davitz - 3/26/11 at 5:00pm
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