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Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong but if I'm reading this thread correctly ASUS 890GX & 890FX boards WILL work with Bulldozer with a simple BIOS update? If this is so then why are people still debating in this thread about the number of CPU pins and still being skeptical? I mean ASUS must know something we don't. If this is true I am glad because I just bought my sig MoBo about 2 months ago and would prefer not having to buy another right now.
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Satisfied now?

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Just because a chipset can support Bulldozer, doesn't mean that an AM3 board with that chipset will.

Client bulldozer products are AM3b socket and the PGA is physically different to AM3 socket - so it doesn't matter what bios is released for an AM3 mobo, the AM3+ CPU will physically not fit in an AM3 socket.

Left to right - AM3b, AM3, AM2.


And regardless of what a manufacturer or swedish website says - I'll take the word direct from AMD over it any day:
Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
OK, here is all I know. When this all came up I asked the product manager if it was possible to put an AM3+ CPU in an AM3 board.

The answer was no.

There was no grey.

I believe that any data not coming from AMD should not be taken at face value.

Ask yourself this: Why, if there was somehow a way to make it work with AM3, would we not have said that a few months ago when we made the statement? Why would we take the heat from angry AM3 users if it would work? Think that one through for a minute.
What is more likely to happen, is that Asus and other manufacturers will revise their 800series mobos, adding an AM3b socket and support for bulldozer CPUs.

Because at this point in time, it is pretty clear that AMD will not be releasing client bulldozer on AM3 - again for the haters:
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OK, here is all I know. When this all came up I asked the product manager if it was possible to put an AM3+ CPU in an AM3 board.

The answer was no.

There was no grey.

I believe that any data not coming from AMD should not be taken at face value.

Ask yourself this: Why, if there was somehow a way to make it work with AM3, would we not have said that a few months ago when we made the statement? Why would we take the heat from angry AM3 users if it would work? Think that one through for a minute.
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Originally Posted by un-nefer View Post
Just because a chipset can support Bulldozer, doesn't mean that an AM3 board with that chipset will.

Client bulldozer products are AM3b socket and the PGA is physically different to AM3 socket - so it doesn't matter what bios is released for an AM3 mobo, the AM3+ CPU will physically not fit in an AM3 socket.

Left to right - AM3b, AM3, AM2.


And regardless of what a manufacturer or swedish website says - I'll take the word direct from AMD over it any day:


What is more likely to happen, is that Asus and other manufacturers will revise their 800series mobos, adding an AM3b socket and support for bulldozer CPUs.

Because at this point in time, it is pretty clear that AMD will not be releasing client bulldozer on AM3 - again for the haters:


Like I said before, I seriously doubt ASUS would put their reputation on the line like that. Sandy Bridge was 1 pin less than Lynnfield, but they didn't try shoving Sandy Bridge CPUs into the Lynnfield socket.

ASUS knows something we don't know. I'd take their word over AMD any day, especially considering the limited information AMD is providing about a product that pretty much is their only hope to be saved against Intel.

For all we know, Bulldozer will have the same performance, or slightly less than previous generation i7 920's, or their 4 core will be on par with their (AMD) current 6 core. We don't know anything about Bulldozer right now except it'll come out sometime soon and hopefully it'll be good.
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Well it would be nice if this works because I just picked up a new Crosshair IV Formula, and it would be great if it supported BD... that being said; if it doesn't then I am sure I can get a decent resale value from the CHIV and pick up a new CHV with a BD when they come out.
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Gigabyte is re-releasing some boards on AM3+ socket as rev 3.1. It doesn't mention in the article that ASUS is doing the same, but perhaps that is what they're doing here?
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OMG!! Crosshair IV Formula support! W00T I guess I will be ordering those 6970s then!
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Gigabyte is re-releasing some boards on AM3+ socket as rev 3.1. It doesn't mention in the article that ASUS is doing the same, but perhaps that is what they're doing here?
No. It's not what they're doing, however it would be nice seeing new revisions being shipped out with the AM3b socket native.

So far it's just a BIOS update. I hope it works too, because I don't wanna get rid of my Biostar TA890GXE.
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Originally Posted by un-nefer View Post
Just because a chipset can support Bulldozer, doesn't mean that an AM3 board with that chipset will.

Client bulldozer products are AM3b socket and the PGA is physically different to AM3 socket - so it doesn't matter what bios is released for an AM3 mobo, the AM3+ CPU will physically not fit in an AM3 socket.

Left to right - AM3b, AM3, AM2.


And regardless of what a manufacturer or swedish website says - I'll take the word direct from AMD over it any day:


What is more likely to happen, is that Asus and other manufacturers will revise their 800series mobos, adding an AM3b socket and support for bulldozer CPUs.

Because at this point in time, it is pretty clear that AMD will not be releasing client bulldozer on AM3 - again for the haters:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kvjavs View Post
Like I said before, I seriously doubt ASUS would put their reputation on the line like that. Sandy Bridge was 1 pin less than Lynnfield, but they didn't try shoving Sandy Bridge CPUs into the Lynnfield socket.

ASUS knows something we don't know. I'd take their word over AMD any day, especially considering the limited information AMD is providing about a product that pretty much is their only hope to be saved against Intel.

For all we know, Bulldozer will have the same performance, or slightly less than previous generation i7 920's, or their 4 core will be on par with their (AMD) current 6 core. We don't know anything about Bulldozer right now except it'll come out sometime soon and hopefully it'll be good.
I'll take an official statement from Asus over word of mouth from AMD. But, I'll take it with a big grain of salt. Can't really argue if they made a mistake or not by not mentioning anything about revisions with no basis of official BD info to go by. We won't know for sure until someone pops a BD chip into one of these boards.
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Like I said before, I seriously doubt ASUS would put their reputation on the line like that.
And I doubt they are - more like a bunch of 800series mobo owners reading into it and getting it wrong.

You're basing all this bs hype on a single word - current - and that word is only there after a triple translation:
Japanese -> Swedish -> English

So many misunderstandings come from translations - hence "lost in translation".

So:
1) good luck if they even used the word "current"
2) good luck to working out the context in which it was used (if used)

Quote:
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ASUS knows something we don't know. I'd take their word over AMD any day,
lol, do you take a second to read what you post before posting it? AMD make the CPU, so it's hard to argue with the makes of the CPU if they say it will be made a specific way.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kvjavs View Post
especially considering the limited information AMD is providing about a product that pretty much is their only hope to be saved against Intel.
AMD has posted more tech info about Bulldozer in the lead up to its release then any other CPU they have released in the past. They have reps online in forums, they've been blogging about Bulldozer for almost a year and they've been releasing bits and pieces into the news for years.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kvjavs View Post
For all we know, Bulldozer will have the same performance, or slightly less than previous generation i7 920's, or their 4 core will be on par with their (AMD) current 6 core. We don't know anything about Bulldozer right now except it'll come out sometime soon and hopefully it'll be good.
W T F does this have to do with the fact that as of right now, AMD has said client bulldozer CPUs WILL NOT be compatible with AM3 socket?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeing Red View Post
We won't know for sure until someone pops a BD chip into one of these boards.
Uness you are going to cut a pin off your BD, there is way you can "pops a BD chip into one of these boards", it simply won't fit.
Edited by un-nefer - 3/16/11 at 8:26am
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Quote:
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I dont get how this works. How does a chip with one more pin fit into a socket with a pin hole missing with just a Bios update?
Probably 1 of 2 things...

Scenario 1.) Asus' announcement only involves the newest (probably unreleased) motherboard revision that has a new socket that has an extra pin hole.

or

Scenario 2.) AMD went and changed the pin configuration for all the BD chips.........

I think scenario 1 is more plausible than the other.
I could be wrong but, it seems most logical to assume only the newest (probably unreleased) motherboard revisions can support BD.

I thought this topic was already discussed, a while back when someone went and posted something about MSI boards being compatible with AM3+.
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