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They have probably just been selling boards that accept the extra pin that AM3+ has.
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Oh.. I told this guy.. Tim... I said.. "I just want to know if what I am reading is accurate, because, based on this sir, to be frank.. AMD is saying you guys are full of ****! ..and that webpage is causing quite the **** storm on the internet! So either someone published something wrong on that webpage, or someone needs to update it with a little more accurate info!"

Thats when he told me that he is still not allowed to discuss "specifics" but that the information on the page IS accurate, as printed, and that Asus USA will be publishing additional Info later on.
     
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They have probably just been selling boards that accept the extra pin that AM3+ has.
Pretty sure that the AM3 socket has one less pin supported. Here is a pic of mine, don't know how well you can see it. But I'm not dismantling my CPU to get a better shot...


Sorry guys thought it would be larger than it was.

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post #124 of 341
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Actually I do believe that an article was written where the Reviewer has "supposedly" contacted his unnamed source(gotta love that guy Unnamed Source) and he related just that conversation. I remember this because it was rubbed in my face by every know it all tom dick and harry that couldn't believe referenced sources. Go back in this thread and you'll see all kind of instances like that with a Manufacturer as source. lulz



Because at the time those boards did not exist. In fact I was waiting for M4A89GTD Pro/USB3 to drop because it was one of the first entrants to have onboard 3.0 USB. Before all we had was Gigabyte and MSi offering adaptive standards. So the Engineers would then have been correct because there was nothing available at that time that was AM3 that could be modified to run Bulldozer.

My bro is not mad, but he's not happy that his M4A785 series board cannot run it. And that was out a few months before anything was written on the subject of what Bulldozer would or wouldn't do.

Also anyone that received a map of what AMD had planned and then wrote about it is a Reviewer imho. That's just the way the ball bounces in this game.

~Ceadder
Which boards didn't exist? The CH 4 Formula/Extreme has been out for while as I understand and still nothing from AMD. I am not a nay sayer, but am just confused. I currently find it very hard to reason this though logically from AMDs side.

If the pin numbers are the same then AMD should have just said, "It will fit in a AM3 socket, but we won't support it. It is up to mobo makers to do what they want."

It is because AMD said (again not only JF) they wouldn't support it and because of the AM3+ pics people drew conclusions about extra pins. I would love to by a CH 4 Formula today if I was 100% sure, but usually when the logic doesn't make sense there is another shoe to drop. My
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Your board is also an nVidia based chipset.

Not an AMD based chipset.

Go ask nVidia, when THEY plan to offer support with their own Chipsets...

Otherwise, go buy an AMD based motherboard!
But I like my SLI 460s....:S
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Interesting points. Certainly food for thought. Think I'll wait for an official announcement from AMD before I blow $400 on the Extreme though!

C'mon AMD! Please confirm this!

AMD is only saying that they will not support it.

They have never said that it will not work...

Reading between the lines, it just sounds like they are saying that they will not support you, if you do it... ie: maybe it means it will void the warranty on your Zambezi or something... which would be really screwed up... but thats what I'm reading between the lines of all the various statements.

Technically, and what most here are failing to acknowledge...

Is that AMD had said the EXACT SAME THINGS, LAST YEAR... regarding Core Unlocking, and they specifically removed the ability to do so from the 800 Series Chipsets, and had stated that they "will not support it" and will not support people who do it...

So what did the Motherboard manufacturers do?

The designed their own little chips, to add to their AMD 800 series Motherboards that allowed them to ADD this feature in for themselves..

AKA... ASUS Core Unlocker, for example?

Why do you all supposed it is still called the ASUS Core Unlocker?

Because Asus designed it.
It is an ASUS Feature.
Asus put it on their own Motherboards...

AMD does NOT support it.
AMD does NOT provide the ability to do it.

ASUS does.
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But I like my SLI 460s....:S
You can run SLI on AMD... --> Clickie

Just because AMD does not support it, does not mean its not possible..

I think the existence of this very thread, is a testament to that fact!
     
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Which boards didn't exist? The CH 4 Formula/Extreme has been out for while as I understand and still nothing from AMD. I am not a nay sayer, but am just confused. I currently find it very hard to reason this though logically from AMDs side.

If the pin numbers are the same then AMD should have just said, "It will fit in a AM3 socket, but we won't support it. It is up to mobo makers to do what they want."

It is because AMD said (again not only JF) they wouldn't support it and because of the AM3+ pics people drew conclusions about extra pins. I would love to by a CH 4 Formula today if I was 100% sure, but usually when the logic doesn't make sense there is another shoe to drop. My
I don't know what to tell you man. I've been following this saga since before the M4A89GTD Pro Series was even listed. And that was stated before those were to be out. So don't blame me if this whole mess was nackered before I got to it. I didn't have nuffin to do wif dat.

Just sayin that he was being as truthful as he COULD be at the time. Also as someone else related he wasn't even in the division so didn't have the hands on experience for the question he was asked. I didn't ask that question and I couldn't give you the exact context of the question or the answer. Only my experienced speculated guesstimation(such as it is) as to how it went down the way it did.

If I can find the issue of the Pro/USB3 review in CPU mag that was prelaunch for that board and the next month or two(no later) they had the AMD Bulldozer review.
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AMD is only saying that they will not support it.

They have never said that it will not work...

Reading between the lines, it just sounds like they are saying that they will not support you, if you do it... ie: maybe it means it will void the warranty on your Zambezi or something... which would to really screwed up... but thats what I'm reading between the lines of all the various statements.

Technically, and what most here are failing to acknowledge...

Is that AMD had said the EXACT SAME THINGS, LAST YEAR... regarding Core Unlocking, and they specifically removed the ability to do so from the 800 Series Chipsets, and had stated that they "will not support it" and will not support people who do it...

So what did the Motherboard manufacturers do?

The designed their own little chips, to add to their AMD 800 series Motherboards that allowed them to ADD this feature in for themselves..

AKA... ASUS Core Unlocker, for example?

Why do you all supposed it is still called the ASUS Core Unlocker?

Because Asus designed it.
It is an ASUS Feature.
Asus put it on their own Motherboards...

AMD does NOT support it.
AMD does NOT provide the ability to do it.

ASUS does.
Correct. But it is impossible for them to support something that physically won't fit.

I content that AMD should have made it clear that a AM3 socket would accept the proc, in other words, that the pin counts are the same. If they would have done that, then I think nobody would be confused right now.

We all understand the Asus can design a bios or some other feature to support something AMD never intended. But they can't do magic.

If this is true, then BD pin config=AM3 pin config... AMD knew that and has known it for a while. I think it was silly of them to withhold that information.
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Which boards didn't exist? The CH 4 Formula/Extreme has been out for while as I understand and still nothing from AMD. I am not a nay sayer, but am just confused. I currently find it very hard to reason this though logically from AMDs side.

If the pin numbers are the same then AMD should have just said, "It will fit in a AM3 socket, but we won't support it. It is up to mobo makers to do what they want."

It is because AMD said (again not only JF) they wouldn't support it and because of the AM3+ pics people drew conclusions about extra pins. I would love to by a CH 4 Formula today if I was 100% sure, but usually when the logic doesn't make sense there is another shoe to drop. My
AMD did the same thing last year, regarding Core Unlocking...

They only stated that they would not support it...

They refused to acknowledge, that it WAS possible, and that the Motherboard people could do what they wanted with it...

They just stated, that they would not support it.

Why?

Because AMD does not WANT you to keep your OLD stuff.

They want you, to go BUY THE NEW STUFF!

The motherboard manufacturers however, know better.

They know that if they can find a way to provide you with better options, they will keep YOU as their customer.

You see, it is human nature.

Humans Beings, LIKE having Options... its like, finding a little gadget with a whole bunch of really cool little flashy buttons and you just can't resist pushing them all just to see what they do!

Just don't push that red one!
     
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