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Have you guys read this article? Should help clear things up about everything being said ITT.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...os-update.aspx
Edited by 2010rig - 3/16/11 at 9:11pm
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Now THAT... Article right there is VERY interesting...

It completely backs EVERYTHING many of us have been saying

It also speaks volumes for AMD's own confidence in Bulldozer, in that they are absolutely convinced that we WILL want a 990FX for our Zambezi's and that we will NOT settle for anything second best on them.

Very interesting... if AMD is that damned confident, then Bulldozer must really be one hell of a chip!
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Now THAT... Article right there is VERY interesting...

It completely backs EVERYTHING many of us have been saying
That's why I posted it.
Edited by 2010rig - 3/16/11 at 9:11pm
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Okay, looks like AMD FX series according to AMD does indeed support AM3+ only.

I think what ASUS is doing here is trying out a BIOS that will rearrange which of the socket contacts do what in a way that is similar to what happens on a proper AM3+ board and doing this via BIOS, so that the AM3+ CPU will run.

What this probably is, is an attempt to run AM3+ on AM3, but beyond AMD specifications. They probably tried this and it worked somehow, henceforth they market it to the public as a beta version to both get additional testing and prove it for other mobo manufacturers. Therefore making ASUS awesome, as this is the first time I have ever seen any motherboard manufacturer go this far. Which means AMD's FX series is probably going to be big. And also sooner than we all thought.
Hmm! interesting...
So basically this sounds like the board manufacturers last ditch attempt at selling off remaining inventory of am3 motherboards.
Hence all the "AMD month" promotions from various retailers around north america.

By releasing the info that ASUS has just announced, and the folks who spent their time calling in & emailing (thank you for that by the way, your efforts to uncover the truth for the community are very much appreciated); we can surmise perhaps that although we've seen sockets with an extra pin hole...
Perhaps, not ALL Zambezi chips will utilize all the pin holes in the newer socket?
So this might mean although am3+ CAN fit into AM3 sockets, that not all chips may work, but rather some AM3+ will fit and work via this bios udate.

I don't think anyone who knows any solid info. can say anything more, because that would probably break the NDA they're gagged by.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, especially if we learn something new, but this is just what I am starting to understand from all the work, and information everyone has provided.


Nice work OCN!
Edited by Xinc - 3/16/11 at 8:44pm
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This is good! more info
Thanks for the link!

Things are starting to become less confusing now.
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IT would be also interesting and a little embarassing for amd if benchmarks/ realtime use using an 800 series board vs 900 board made little difference in all the accessability of the new bullzdozer chip features

THESE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS GONNA BE ACTION PACKED THE DRAMA THE SUSPENSE THE THRILL THE TEARS THE JOY haha bout to write a novel.
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post #167 of 341
This was posted by the user "nex 73" over at the xtremesystems forum:

"Featured AM3 processors such PII X6 uses 938 of 940 AM3s connection entries (two of which were never and are not routed by default, except the cards ASUS lists in their press release). AM3 + socket has 941 connections. AM3 + CPUs, however, has 940 connections, the exact same number of AM3 socket. Hence it is suitable even reasonable physical. Just be aware that it "only" works in practice with the motherboards on ASUS list.
Important to say is that it's only those who work when they have the correct routing to the power circuitry to operate a AM3 + CPUs."

Now this explains a few things, looks like im getting a Crosshair IV Extreme after all!
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I'm willing to bet that all the 'features' that Bulldozer will lose when running in AM3 and not AM3+ are the features that will have to be turned off during over clocking anyway.

Turbo core 2
Power saving features

All that stuff is a hindrance to over clockers anyway.

I reckon that we won't be missing out on anything special.
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So when should you do the bios update?
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No.

Because...

Asus has specifically stated, as has been quoted prior in this thread with a screenshot of the BIOS Update Page on their website...



It specifically says.. "DO NOT USE THIS BIOS on a AM3 based CPU" .. meaning that it is ONLY intended to be used on an AM3+ Zambezi.

However, since you are confident that I can try it out...

Just to see if it is stable...

Then how about YOU send me, YOUR sample version of the Zambezi CPU that you must have acquired from AMD last year...

Then I'll be happy to test it for you!

Yeah I read the previous post regarding the Asus update, now don't be a spoilsport, flash your bios, let us know if works, then we can all be ready for when we do have BD's, since obviously I haven't got one, and you repeatedly asking people to provide you a sample is not evidence of pin count and is irelevant.

Go on, flash your bios...


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JF-AMD has stated before in many other threads, that he is not allowed to discuss the facts any more then that.

He has also stated that he is only a Server guy, and not a technician.

I think, all we can do is be patient wait for Asus USA to update their own website with more information that verifies what Asus International has already announced.
Why do you have to wait for Asus usa to update their site, the info from top isn't good enough for you, you want to hear it from some minor branch of the business?

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Now THAT... Article right there is VERY interesting...

It completely backs EVERYTHING many of us have been saying

It also speaks volumes for AMD's own confidence in Bulldozer, in that they are absolutely convinced that we WILL want a 990FX for our Zambezi's and that we will NOT settle for anything second best on them.

Very interesting... if AMD is that damned confident, then Bulldozer must really be one hell of a chip!
No it doesn't back what you've been saying. No where in that piece does it uncategorically state that BD's pins will physically fit into an AM3 socket. That's all the doubters are asking (personally I don't care as it doesn't affect me either way, as, if I was going to upgrade to BD, I would need a new mobo anyway, so may as well get an AM3+). All that article has done is go over old ground that we've already visited.

Anyway, either Asus have cocked up, or as it looks likely BD will work in an AM3 socket, i've no disagreement with you on that.

Personally having gone from a Phenom II X4 940 to a 1090T in an AM2+ board, I wouldn't buy a BD and put it in an AM3 board, people are talking about losing functionallity that overclockers wouldn't use, but I lost fsb clocking, i'd say that's about as bad as it gets for an overclocker. My 1150Mhz DDR2 ram that was happilly running at 1200Mhz in the same board, is now limited to 1066Mhz.
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