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Guys,

Here is the bottom line.

I am not going to answer any questions about pins, because a.) I don't know and b.) it's not my job to chase down client issues (I am in server).

We are NOT supporting Bulldozer in anything other than AM3+ sockets.

If you have a question about support in anything other than AM3 you need to be asking the people making those claims, not AMD.

If there ever is a more formal answer, it will NOT say that there is some manner in which we are supporting BD in AM3, so everyone needs to cool down on that one. There will be no change in our support.

I do not know if the desktop guys will say anything above and beyond what they have said already, but I DO know that if they say more, there should not be a change in our support plans.

You REALLY need to push these questions to the board vendors, not AMD, as we have said, over and over, that BD will only be supported in AM3+.
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ASUS Bulldozer BIOS 3012 is up an running
    
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
Guys,

Here is the bottom line.

I am not going to answer any questions about pins, because a.) I don't know and b.) it's not my job to chase down client issues (I am in server).

We are NOT supporting Bulldozer in anything other than AM3+ sockets.

If you have a question about support in anything other than AM3 you need to be asking the people making those claims, not AMD.

If there ever is a more formal answer, it will NOT say that there is some manner in which we are supporting BD in AM3, so everyone needs to cool down on that one. There will be no change in our support.

I do not know if the desktop guys will say anything above and beyond what they have said already, but I DO know that if they say more, there should not be a change in our support plans.

You REALLY need to push these questions to the board vendors, not AMD, as we have said, over and over, that BD will only be supported in AM3+.


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Guys may as well stop pestering JF on this one...

If he wants to keep saying that, and make AMD look stupid, then fine... But it is obvious he can not disclose any further information anyway as he is only just repeating the same thing he always says.

We just have to wait until the Mobo Manufacturers reveal more detailed specs, or wait until more specific details on Zambezi come out.
Or in other words, as I've said before numerous times in this thread.

We just have to wait until ASUS reveals more information for themselves, on this matter!

AMD may not support it, thats fine...

They don't support Core Unlocking either!

Lets wait for Asus to reveal more specs!
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ASUS Bulldozer BIOS 3012 is up an running
Haha I was going to permalink your post in the Group thread here. You beat me to it.

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post #215 of 341
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By the looks of it there's nothing stopping Bulldozer from working in AM3, I'm curious as to why AMD didn't do this officially as there's no reason why they would lock out AM3.
Sorry, long posting.
I'm just rambling here (clarifying thoughts for myself)...

I think the reason why AMD isn't "supporting BD" on AM3, is the same reason that the board manufacturers are doing it.
Financial reasons.

While AMD has not stated that "AM3+ will not work" in AM3, they are not saying it will either. . o 0 (How conveniently ambiguous of them )

But the motherboard manufacturers have; which was probably skating the line of the NDA.
However, they have not, and probably will not comment on which of the Zambezi's will work, and what wont work on the AM3 boards, for those same reasons.
We are all just assuming they all work.
Of course we wont know until closer to launch.

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Originally Posted by almighty15 View Post
The argument that Bulldozer uses an extra pin is mute as Phenom 2 CPU doesn't use all 941 available pins so I doubt Bulldozer actually uses all 942 of its available pin count.
As an aside - I was one of the people who was wrong earlier, when I assumed that the AM3 used all pinholes in the socket, and thus assumed that BD would be the same, and would not physically fit. As has been stated by a number of persons (including yourself), the cpu may simply just not utilize all the pinholes, and still be able to function as the AM3 currently does.


If AMD were to have to warranty BD chips going into AM3 boards, and things didn't work as planned, then it could cost them... quite a bit, which in turn could hurt the integrity & reputation of the new platform they are trying to build.
It could also turn away potential customers with any type of negative press.

Board partners, need to move product to make money, just like everyone else.
If they only offered AM3+ next to the AM3 boards, they would not be making much money, because the months between now and release would be stagnant for sales.
So the ingenius idea of revising their boards, and offering bios updates serve to help move out existing products, and keep the cash flowing.
They cannot just stop sales of their existing motherboards, that would be detrimental to their business, and to AMD's camp as a whole.

Seeing this, I can understand the situation better.
It just makes financial sense.

Of course this is not to say that the community as a whole, wouldn't be happier with more info such as benchmarks & pricing.
Edited by Xinc - 3/17/11 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by cjc75 View Post
Well that is the big question here.

Exactly, WHY is Asus offering BD support on their 8xx Series boards?

Either they just want to offer us more options, or they want to push sales o those particular Boards; or, they needed a solution because their own 9xx Series Boards are going to be delayed.
Bulldozer is still a few months away and some people wanted to wait until then to purchase an AM3+ board. Now with this announcement, people may go and buy the 8xx boards that will be supporting first-gen BD.

Nobody would be buying their 8xx boards any longer with BD being only ~3 months away if it would only be working on 9xx boards. And they released the 8xx series like a year ago, maybe? They can clear their inventory and at the same time tweak the 9xx series a bit more. By the time the 9xx comes out, it might allow for better performance on those boards and obviously, enthusiasts will upgrade again.

Idk, its just all speculation, but I think they simply want to sell their 8xx series boards asap. Especially the top of the line boards cause those are the most expensive ones, thats why they are offering BIOS updates for those.
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
Guys,

Here is the bottom line.

I am not going to answer any questions about pins, because a.) I don't know and b.) it's not my job to chase down client issues (I am in server).

We are NOT supporting Bulldozer in anything other than AM3+ sockets.

If you have a question about support in anything other than AM3 you need to be asking the people making those claims, not AMD.

If there ever is a more formal answer, it will NOT say that there is some manner in which we are supporting BD in AM3, so everyone needs to cool down on that one. There will be no change in our support.

I do not know if the desktop guys will say anything above and beyond what they have said already, but I DO know that if they say more, there should not be a change in our support plans.

You REALLY need to push these questions to the board vendors, not AMD, as we have said, over and over, that BD will only be supported in AM3+.
Right on JF, ty for stating this.
AMD's position is clear, its really the board partners we should be bugging, and not AMD.


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Originally Posted by Squirrel View Post
Bulldozer is still a few months away and some people wanted to wait until then to purchase an AM3+ board. Now with this announcement, people may go and buy the 8xx boards that will be supporting first-gen BD.

Nobody would be buying their 8xx boards any longer with BD being only ~3 months away if it would only be working on 9xx boards. And they released the 8xx series like a year ago, maybe? They can clear their inventory and at the same time tweak the 9xx series a bit more. By the time the 9xx comes out, it might allow for better performance on those boards and obviously, enthusiasts will upgrade again.

Idk, its just all speculation, but I think they simply want to sell their 8xx series boards asap. Especially the top of the line boards cause those are the most expensive ones, thats why they are offering BIOS updates for those.
You said it waaaay better than I did, in not so many words. +1

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Then this news comes in..... argh. I still staying Intel until AMD cleans up it's mess. I don't care if it's the board vendors fault or now. AMD is seriously annoying me as an AMD customer with this silly and pointless cloak and dagger game over AM3+. It's also some 4 months before Bulldozer is supposed to be launched, and we still don't know what's up with mobo support. AMD reps say one thing. Their biggest board partners say another. This is tearing me apart on this. At least with Intel, I KNOW their LGA1156 socket will never get another update. LGA1155 is likely dead end at 4 cores. LGA1366 is EOL. AMD? I have no clue, and that lack of info is not convincing me to buy anything AMD right now.
I guess this is the reason why I don't care which platform I'm using anymore.
I just find the entire situation fascinating, that there needs to be so much grief over minute details.
Plus its fun always speculating the 'what ifs'
In addition to running an AMD unit, I'm also using 1366 & 1155.
I wont need an upgrade, I just want BD to come out sooner, and I want to see how the 8-core will fold -Bigadv
(debating on getting rid of my SR-2 boards if these are somehow more efficient, ppd/w)

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Even with 4 cores it smacks the x6 around like that kid Zangief'd the bully.
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Lets wait for Asus to reveal more specs!
Agreed.
Edited by Xinc - 3/17/11 at 4:14pm
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I am convinced... I will freely admit that I was very skeptical before as to bulldozer working in AM3, but that has changed. Now, the other shoe to drop is -- WHY is AMD not supporting bulldozer in AM3?

People have offered thoughts in this thread and they seem to all relate to the fact that AMD is doing this because they are greedy and want people to buy new chipsets. Well of course... that is typical behavior from Intel... wait, oh that's right -- we are talking about AMD here... look at their history and compare it to Intel... AMD doesn't have a history of getting greedy and forcing people to change boards.

So why are they starting now?

I don't think that is the reason. I think that BD in AM3 is going to be missing more than just TurboCORE 2.0 and a couple of "useless" power saving features. People here are drawing those conclusions from past experiences like AM2 to AM2+... but there are 2 key differences.

1) Bulldozer is BIG architectural change from AMD64 -- past history may be irrelevant

2) AMD has SUPPORTED new chips in old sockets before and NOW they are not

Something has changed here -- people say AMD has suddenly gotten greedy and you are free to think that... but I think that either the stability or performance with AM3 is reduced enough that AMD WANTS to give themselves a safe, "that's why we don't support BD on AM3", out.

I am not an insider, but that is my
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Im wondering if am3 is going to "bottleneck" bd and limit its function...therefore making it look like an inferior cpu when its not.
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Guys,

Here is the bottom line.

I am not going to answer any questions about pins, because a.) I don't know and b.) it's not my job to chase down client issues (I am in server).

We are NOT supporting Bulldozer in anything other than AM3+ sockets.

If you have a question about support in anything other than AM3 you need to be asking the people making those claims, not AMD.

If there ever is a more formal answer, it will NOT say that there is some manner in which we are supporting BD in AM3, so everyone needs to cool down on that one. There will be no change in our support.

I do not know if the desktop guys will say anything above and beyond what they have said already, but I DO know that if they say more, there should not be a change in our support plans.

You REALLY need to push these questions to the board vendors, not AMD, as we have said, over and over, that BD will only be supported in AM3+.
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