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^if that's true, than my board is rendered useless when BD comes out
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I am convinced... I will freely admit that I was very skeptical before as to bulldozer working in AM3, but that has changed. Now, the other shoe to drop is -- WHY is AMD not supporting bulldozer in AM3?

People have offered thoughts in this thread and they seem to all relate to the fact that AMD is doing this because they are greedy and want people to buy new chipsets. Well of course... that is typical behavior from Intel... wait, oh that's right -- we are talking about AMD here... look at their history and compare it to Intel... AMD doesn't have a history of getting greedy and forcing people to change boards.

So why are they starting now?

I don't think that is the reason. I think that BD in AM3 is going to be missing more than just TurboCORE 2.0 and a couple of "useless" power saving features. People here are drawing those conclusions from past experiences like AM2 to AM2+... but there are 2 key differences.

1) Bulldozer is BIG architectural change from AMD64 -- past history may be irrelevant

2) AMD has SUPPORTED new chips in old sockets before and NOW they are not

Something has changed here -- people say AMD has suddenly gotten greedy and you are free to think that... but I think that either the stability or performance with AM3 is reduced enough that AMD WANTS to give themselves a safe, "that's why we don't support BD on AM3", out.

I am not an insider, but that is my
Its because the pins are diff the motherboards expected to support bd are older yes BUT with the newer socket in them as bd boards are backwards compatible not boards you have now...................
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^if that's true, than my board is rendered useless when BD comes out
note that he explicitly states that they won't support it. Obakemono just sees it as affirmation of his earlier trolling which it is not. In fact, JF just further confirmed what the rest of us have been saying all this time: AMD won't support it but it will work.

AMD also removed the core unlocking feature and does not support it. Well hey, then why am I running an unlocked 720 if AMD doesn't support it? Because Asus does.
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Im wondering if am3 is going to "bottleneck" bd and limit its function...therefore making it look like an inferior cpu when its not.
Possibly due to HT 3.1...

The way I look at it, if an AM3 CPU can work in an AM3+ motherboard, all pins but one should carry the same function. The issue may well be a bottleneck considering HT 3.1 is suppose to offer quite a large boost in speed (>3GHz?) and that may be where the extra pin comes into play.

Ohh well, who knows... Hopefully we find out soon as I want to upgrade but can't afford both CPU and motherboard right now, just one or the other.
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post #225 of 341
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By the looks of it there's nothing stopping Bulldozer from working in AM3, I'm curious as to why AMD didn't do this officially as there's no reason why they would lock out AM3.

The argument that Bulldozer uses an extra pin is mute as Phenom 2 CPU doesn't use all 941 available pins so I doubt Bulldozer actually uses all 942 of its available pin count.

Now onto reduced functionality when not running on 990FX, In my opinion? Complete rubbish, I personally reckon that aide from the updated turbo core there will not be a big difference in chip functionality between 890FX and 990FX.

The only reason AMD is pushing 990FX as the 'Official' Bulldozer chipset is because they're greedy bastards and want to milk more money out of the consumer by giving the impression that there 890FX won't work properly with Bulldozer.

ASUS is a VERY respectable motherboard maker and I doubt they would create a web page claiming full Bulldozer support in there current motherboards and shout about it to the world if they couldn't get Bulldozer working flawlessly.

Judging on what JF-AMD keeps raging on that you really need 990FX for Bulldozer I really hope for the sake of his and AMD's reputation that there IS a difference in features between 890FX and 990FX else there's going to be a lot of pisst AMD fans who'll feel they've been led on and lied to.

JF_AMD has stated that Bulldozer simply will not fit AM3 sockets, I hope for his sake that it's true.

May I remind people on here of the now ancient AM2 ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe motherboard that can run Phenom 2 and Athlon 2 CPU's?
Exactly, the switch from 890FX to 990FX will most likely be very minimal. It will probably be smaller than the change from 790 to 890, which was marginal at best.


As to JF's statement, I personally take his word with a grain of salt. He is a marketer with the server group. As an engineer, the only words I will take as 100% true are statements from an engineer directly involved, preferably the chief engineer (Because as a test engineer I know for a fact that only he would have a big picture look at what's going on).
    
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3 things.

1)JF_AMD never ONCE stated that Bulldozer would not fit an AM3 socket. He DID state that AMD will not SUPPORT it. HUUUUUUUUGE difference between support and won't fit. If people need, I can dig up a tech dictionary and give both definitions.

2)AMD isn't going to support this feature because the Phenom II has run its course and they want to move forward. If they stay on the AM3 platform they're as good as toast. They know this. They want to remain competitive with Intel while trying to give their customers the best bang for their buck. They know that the low guy on the totem pole can only afford modest gains on their systems. We're GENERALLY upgrading by piecemeal maybe 2 or 3 components but rarely more. I went for the Crosshair cause I wanted to OC but allow my system room to grow. I have that. I still have a couple series of CPUs' I can upgrade to thankully to Bulldozer.

3)Businesses are businesses because they want to make money. If they don't make money it's called a hobby. People need to learn the difference I think.

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note that he explicitly states that they won't support it. Obakemono just sees it as affirmation of his earlier trolling which it is not. In fact, JF just further confirmed what the rest of us have been saying all this time: AMD won't support it but it will work.

AMD also removed the core unlocking feature and does not support it. Well hey, then why am I running an unlocked 720 if AMD doesn't support it? Because Asus does.


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Hmmm somebody musta called them fer ya bro.Looks like they made good time too. Hope you feel better.

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Just a suggestion, acually post a response. These 1 emoticon's make you look like your nothing but a trolling idiot.
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*snip*
I seem to have touched a nerve.
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