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Post #1
Ok this is getting out of hand. The AM3b(AM3+) socket is physically is different than AM3. How on earth is this going to work? The only way it can is that there are two different BD CPU packages, one that has the 942 pins (AM3b, all features) and the one with 941 pins (AM3, less features). This is all speculation on my part.

Post#2
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pro...px?pid=3781#sp

Looks like rev 3.1 supports AM3+

Post#3
I would hold up on all of this until it is figured out or officially announced. What I think is going on is that the motherboard makers are placing the AM3b sockets on current production AM3 motherboards (see my post in the AMD mobo section). So a BIOS update would be needed to run a BD on the older 8xx chipsets WITH the new socket. I think this is what is the basis of the confusion is, and it does make sense that BD is AM3b only, but if you place that AM3b socket on the current mobos and throw in a BIOS update: Bingo, BD compatible mobos!!

Post#4
Um, it is physically impossible to use BD in a AM3 socket, period (based on the info we have at the moment). I think Asus has gone off on a tangent with this. "Current" motherboards can mean that the currently produced mobos just get the new AM3b socket, a bios update and they spit it out with a newer revision number. That is what Gigabyte is doing.

Post#5
How many times does it have to be said?

BD is only AM3B socket! If your "current" Asus mobo has a white AM3 socket, it will not work.

This is where I got pissed, because everyone was reading what Asus said as gospel and totally ignoring all others that were on the opposite side of the arguement. Posts 1-4 repeated info that was already out there and my SPECULATION, then you guys let the post go south from there. Hmmmm, all what you have accused me of is not in my original posts. Hmmmmm.

I'm done with this thread. I came here with a good, positive attitude and then the "experts" came in and corrected us "non believers" with their "news" from Asus. At least I can sleep at night knowing that I am not a massive douchebag like some of you are here. Goodnight.
Edited by Obakemono - 3/17/11 at 10:00pm
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Maybe MB makers can make BD work on AM3 but only with limited features.
AMD thinks the AM3 socket wont do BD justice, so they want people to only run it in AM3+ where it shows true potential.

Just a thought.
 
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post #244 of 341
Quote:
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Maybe MB makers can make BD work on AM3 but only with limited features.
AMD thinks the AM3 socket wont do BD justice, so they want people to only run it in AM3+ where it shows true potential.

Just a thought.
I agree, actually I wrote something similar earlier.

I think there is a little more to the reason AMD is not supporting BD on AM3 than just "We are a business... so we are going to force people to buy boards with the new chipset/socket". That flies in the face of what AMD has done for years. Why change now?
post #245 of 341
If BD works in AM3 but loses functions such as Turbocore it may not affect this communtity but the vast majority of comsumers will never oc (probably aren't even aware of its existance) and would never touch the bios. So BD functioning with a full resource set is paramount for AMD.

Imagine a review (most reviews are carried out at stock, as that's how most consumers use the product) where a BD is used on an AM3 board, turbocore can't kick in, and the resulting reviews shows BD as being 30% (random figure) slower than it's true fully functioning potential. Obviously AMD wouldn't want this scenario, they'd want BD to be shown in it's best light, not give Intel any ammunition, so AMD isn't supporting BD in AM3, that's their get out clause.
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post #246 of 341
It is really quite simple tbh.
  1. If BD can actually fit into an AM3 socket, then a bios update might work for some mobos - and put simply, that is the only way it would work on an AM3 socket - if it can fit.
  2. BUT - AMD has said it WILL NOT fit into an AM3 socket and will need the AM3b socket.
  3. What is the difference you ask? AM3b has 1x extra hole for a pin compared to the AM3 socket
  4. What does that mean? That means that if AMD say BD will need an AM3b socket, then that suggests a BD will use that extra pin
  5. And what does that mean, if it uses that extra pin? It then means that it doesn't matter w t f any manufacturer says, a BD will have an extra pin that uses that extra hole in the AM3b socket
  6. So if BD uses that extra pin, the ONLY WAY it will then fit into an AM3 socket that DOES NOT have the extra hole for that extra pin is to physically CUT that extra pin off your new BD CPU

Pretty simple to understand really - and pointless to argue any further.

So what we as customers need to know is if BD uses that extra pin, because if it does, there is no fk'n way on earth a BD will fit into an AM3 socket, short of cutting that extra pin off - and good luck to that.

And further arguing will just make you look like fools if you are wrong
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post #247 of 341
Quote:
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AMD has said it WILL NOT fit into an AM3 socket


Many others, including myself, inferred what you posted from AMD's statements, but I have never seen one statement from AMD stating those EXACT words. If you have proof please present it... as we would all like to see it.

What AMD (and JF-AMD) did say is that they will not "support" BD in AM3.
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rofl at this.... who wants to bet big money that asus will make bulldozer chips run atleast 90% of all features on 890 mobo's first generation that is.
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post #249 of 341
90%?

No thanks.

All or nothing.
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post #250 of 341
Sad to say I've been reading all of this. I think it comes down to the fact that "if" AM3 boards can use BD, 90% of the people will not use it, if it's not 100% of it's full potential.

Most people are looking at it as a cheaper route to not upgrade to a new motherboard, but with some sort of "functionality", which is fine because the thought would cross my mind if I had a board that had promise of working too.

In the end, it comes down to two things:
1) If the chip actually works in said board;
2) How well the chip performs in said boards.

I'm 100% for the speculation and hype that it could possible work, but I'm also not holding my breathe that it's going to work at the level that we want it to.
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