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If it's this easy wonder if they will release some middle plate that would turn AM3 socket into (physical) AM3+ socket for older mobos for what you can get the bios update.

As you know ... if I would be already switching out the mobo as well I sure as hell would sit down and take a damn good look at the numbers at intel vs amd when upgrading. If you can keep the mobo then it's trickier as the "upgrade" for amd is about 100$ cheaper, i.e., if you plan to spend 300$ on upgrade then you would be comparing 300$ AMD chips against mobo+chip at 300$ from Intel side.

Anyway, guess we will see after the CPUs are released.
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post #252 of 341
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Originally Posted by Obakemono View Post
Post #1
Ok this is getting out of hand. The AM3b(AM3+) socket is physically is different than AM3. How on earth is this going to work? The only way it can is that there are two different BD CPU packages, one that has the 942 pins (AM3b, all features) and the one with 941 pins (AM3, less features). This is all speculation on my part.

Post#2
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pro...px?pid=3781#sp

Looks like rev 3.1 supports AM3+

Post#3
I would hold up on all of this until it is figured out or officially announced. What I think is going on is that the motherboard makers are placing the AM3b sockets on current production AM3 motherboards (see my post in the AMD mobo section). So a BIOS update would be needed to run a BD on the older 8xx chipsets WITH the new socket. I think this is what is the basis of the confusion is, and it does make sense that BD is AM3b only, but if you place that AM3b socket on the current mobos and throw in a BIOS update: Bingo, BD compatible mobos!!

Post#4
Um, it is physically impossible to use BD in a AM3 socket, period (based on the info we have at the moment). I think Asus has gone off on a tangent with this. "Current" motherboards can mean that the currently produced mobos just get the new AM3b socket, a bios update and they spit it out with a newer revision number. That is what Gigabyte is doing.

Post#5
How many times does it have to be said?

BD is only AM3B socket! If your "current" Asus mobo has a white AM3 socket, it will not work.

This is where I got pissed, because everyone was reading what Asus said as gospel and totally ignoring all others that were on the opposite side of the arguement. Posts 1-4 repeated info that was already out there and my SPECULATION, then you guys let the post go south from there. Hmmmm, all what you have accused me of is not in my original posts. Hmmmmm.

I'm done with this thread. I came here with a good, positive attitude and then the "experts" came in and corrected us "non believers" with their "news" from Asus. At least I can sleep at night knowing that I am not a massive douchebag like some of you are here. Goodnight.
Post 1: Yes AM3+ has 1 extra pin, but AM3 chips didnt use all 941 pins on the socket, leaving the possibility that AM#+ chips may actually not use that extra pin.

Post 2: Yes, that was posted in the first page or two

Post 3: That could very well be how this plays out

Post 4: Prove it

Post 5: Prove it

Apparently you have a sample chip and know how this is going to play out ahead of time. Wish you would just share a picture of its pin count (the chip not the socket)

Oh and P.S. you apparently shouldn't be sleeping well at night
Edited by OutOfBalanceOX - 3/18/11 at 6:45am
    
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post #253 of 341
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Originally Posted by Carniflex View Post
If it's this easy wonder if they will release some middle plate that would turn AM3 socket into (physical) AM3+ socket for older mobos for what you can get the bios update.
No.
post #254 of 341
Hi JF, plenty of fervor and speculation being whipped up here about a product no one has yet,

Good job well done!!!
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post #255 of 341
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Okay, so you are okay with a message that's been passed on several times through several people and then posted on the net instead of someone who is actually designing the components to work with BD? Give it up dude...

And JF is only responsible for marketing. He's in no way an engineer.



So who is that engineer you're talking about? And I haven't seen any pictures so far. You obviously have. Care to share?

JF-AMD just relayed the message from some higher ups in the amd food chain ... and you dont know what asus did .... yet you go out of your way to call bull*** on amd's own product compatibility .... LOL


what sort of logic is that .


amd knows how their product works ... duhhh!!
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post #256 of 341
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It is really quite simple tbh.
  1. If BD can actually fit into an AM3 socket, then a bios update might work for some mobos - and put simply, that is the only way it would work on an AM3 socket - if it can fit.
  2. BUT - AMD has said it WILL NOT fit into an AM3 socket and will need the AM3b socket.
  3. What is the difference you ask? AM3b has 1x extra hole for a pin compared to the AM3 socket
  4. What does that mean? That means that if AMD say BD will need an AM3b socket, then that suggests a BD will use that extra pin
  5. And what does that mean, if it uses that extra pin? It then means that it doesn't matter w t f any manufacturer says, a BD will have an extra pin that uses that extra hole in the AM3b socket
  6. So if BD uses that extra pin, the ONLY WAY it will then fit into an AM3 socket that DOES NOT have the extra hole for that extra pin is to physically CUT that extra pin off your new BD CPU

Pretty simple to understand really - and pointless to argue any further.

So what we as customers need to know is if BD uses that extra pin, because if it does, there is no fk'n way on earth a BD will fit into an AM3 socket, short of cutting that extra pin off - and good luck to that.

And further arguing will just make you look like fools if you are wrong
First read the thread. AMD never said that BD needs an AM3+ socket.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr0sty View Post
JF-AMD just relayed the message from some higher ups in the amd food chain ... and you dont know what asus did .... yet you go out of your way to call bull*** on amd's own product compatibility .... LOL

what sort of logic is that .

amd knows how their product works ... duhhh!!
JF didn't go to any higher ups. Learn to read. And yes I do know what Asus said, there is a press release that exactly states what they said. Are you just too stupid to read or are you just too lazy? They clearly said they will support it on current AM3 sockets. How they did it? I don't know, I'm not an engineer. But they claim to have found a way and it's the same thing as with the core unlock feature. AMD removed it, the MB manufacturers made their own work-around. I'm pretty sure that Asus knows quite better how AMD's product works on their mainboards.

Seriously, what's up with all the trolls on here lately? Or is it just my bad luck to come across a bunch of them on a daily basis here?
Edited by Squirrel - 3/18/11 at 7:11am
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This is what the description of the latest bios for the Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 says:
"M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 3012 Test BIOS
For testing AM3+ CPU Function only, do not update this BIOS while using AM3 or previous type CPUs!"
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Naaaaaaaaaaa. I never trolled anyone, I stated facts and stood by what I said. All you two are doing is looking for a way to justify your position by defending Asus. As I predicted too, someone went and flashed their bios against Asus's warning, risking several hundred dollars worth of stuff. Don't come crying to the forums when your brand new BD CPU up and fries taking your mobo and who else knows with it since it was not "supported" and have the warranty voided and not honored by AMD. I hope Asus's RMA department will replace the CPU, but I doubt it. Or better yet, since all the features of BD are not active with the AM3 socket, I'll bet the farm that most will come here whining about how the CPU "sucks vs. Intel" blahblahblah. You guys are so predictable. So enjoy your slower, less featured old AM3 mobo with your shiny new BD cpu so you can feel better about having an over-inflated e-peen. I'll sit back with the popcorn watching the whiner Olympics and clap when you guys win the gold.

I suppose you never considered the fact that...

ASUS, has had Zambezi for several months already... and likely...

THEY HAVE BEEN RUNNING IT ON THEIR OWN 8XX SERIES BOARDS FOR MONTHS!

This BIOS is not something that Asus just slapped together in a day, tossed up on the Web and said, "Here it is!"

They've spent months developing this, and they would not release it if they did not know it was already safe to run a Zambezi chip on it.

As for the warnings about not running current AM3 chips on it, well I think quite a few on this community have already proved it safe. So, yea, you can go crawl back into your little Whambulance now. Give up already, and, Bye!
     
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Um, it is physically impossible to use BD in a AM3 socket, period (based on the info we have at the moment). I think Asus has gone off on a tangent with this. "Current" motherboards can mean that the currently produced mobos just get the new AM3b socket, a bios update and they spit it out with a newer revision number. That is what Gigabyte is doing.
Asus never said anything about "Current motherboards"...

I read...

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/AM3_PLUS_Ready/
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Current owners of an AM3-based board*
So if you can explain how that means that only current boards, and not current owners... I would love to hear your explanation...
     
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It is really quite simple tbh.
  1. If BD can actually fit into an AM3 socket, then a bios update might work for some mobos - and put simply, that is the only way it would work on an AM3 socket - if it can fit.
  2. BUT - AMD has said it WILL NOT fit into an AM3 socket and will need the AM3b socket.
  3. What is the difference you ask? AM3b has 1x extra hole for a pin compared to the AM3 socket
  4. What does that mean? That means that if AMD say BD will need an AM3b socket, then that suggests a BD will use that extra pin
  5. And what does that mean, if it uses that extra pin? It then means that it doesn't matter w t f any manufacturer says, a BD will have an extra pin that uses that extra hole in the AM3b socket
  6. So if BD uses that extra pin, the ONLY WAY it will then fit into an AM3 socket that DOES NOT have the extra hole for that extra pin is to physically CUT that extra pin off your new BD CPU
Please see:
Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
Guys,

Here is the bottom line.

I am not going to answer any questions about pins, because a.) I don't know and b.) it's not my job to chase down client issues (I am in server).

We are NOT supporting Bulldozer in anything other than AM3+ sockets.
JF-AMD says right off the bat he doesn't know anything about the pins, so how do YOU know it physically won't fit? No AMD rep anywhere has said "It won't fit". Only the motherboard manufacturers and desktop AMD engineers know.

And are you completely blind?

The AM3 CPU uses 938 PINS.
The AM3 Socket has 941 HOLES.

Bulldozer can still use up to 2, and maybe 3 extra pins and still be fine for all we know. Are you doing any research or just spewing a bunch of crap you think you know?

Please refer to Chapter 1, Introduction:
http://support.amd.com/us/Processor_TechDocs/40523.pdf

Link me to where JF-AMD or any other AMD representatives say "Bulldozer will use 942 pins and physically will not fit into any AM3 or previous generation AMD Socket", then maybe people will take your post seriously. So far, even JF-AMD has said, he knows nothing about the pin count.

All I want to see is an AMD Rep to say "It wont physically fit because blah blah blah" rather than "we won't support it", and JF-AMD already said he doesn't know.
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