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First read the thread. AMD never said that BD needs an AM3+ socket.



JF didn't go to any higher ups. Learn to read. And yes I do know what Asus said, there is a press release that exactly states what they said. Are you just too stupid to read or are you just too lazy? They clearly said they will support it on current AM3 sockets. How they did it? I don't know, I'm not an engineer. But they claim to have found a way and it's the same thing as with the core unlock feature. AMD removed it, the MB manufacturers made their own work-around. I'm pretty sure that Asus knows quite better how AMD's product works on their mainboards.

Seriously, what's up with all the trolls on here lately? Or is it just my bad luck to come across a bunch of them on a daily basis here?


but he did go to the desktop guys to get the final word on that right ... and the desktop guys always have to be cleared by the higher ups before releasing any kind of statement ... so my point remains


and btw asus gets the electrical specs from amd and how their socket works ... obviously ... and the micro codes and all .... so all asus has to do is design a motherboard based on amd's specs or guidelines should i say ....


and even if asus told us it works on am3 now they didnt answer every question at all on how its possible ...... so i will still hold on to my reasoning until i get a better explaination from asus...
Edited by Fr0sty - 3/18/11 at 8:35am
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but he did go to the desktop guys to get the final word on that right ... and the desktop guys always have to be cleared by the higher ups before releasing any kind of statement ... so my point remains
No it doesn't. Lol. It was AMD's official position that they won't support BD in AM3 so you can ask AMD's in-house mailman and he will tell you the same thing without his statement being cleared by any higher ups.
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JF-AMD!

I also owe you an apology Sir. A lot of us here, including myself have been frustrated in our patience; and anxious for more news, at the same time.

I stated, that your comments are making AMD look stupid. In fact, I am sure several others here have stated such as well, so I apologize for my part. Truth is, I understand your position, and I respect your efforts to provide the limited information that you're allowed to provide us with.

Truth of the matter is, all we as consumers and customers can do...

Is just sit back, and wait...

Honestly, that's not an easy thing for some of us to do, but that's what we have to do, like it or not... but until our wait is over, we continue to speculate, because its fun to do so!
     
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but he did go to the desktop guys to get the final word on that right ... and the desktop guys always have to be cleared by the higher ups before releasing any kind of statement ... so my point remains


and btw asus gets the electrical specs from amd and how their socket works ... obviously ... and the micro codes and all .... so all asus has to do is design a motherboard based on amd's specs or guidelines should i say ....


and even if asus told us it works on am3 now they didnt answer every question at all on how its possible ...... so i will still hold on to my reasoning until i get a better explaination from asus...
Honestly Fr0sty, I think Asus' statement if fairly self explanatory in its own wording.

They clearly stated the words "Current owners"... which means if you already own one of their 8xx series boards, then all you need is a BIOS update.

The statement says nothing about requiring any hardware changes, nor any "new motherboard revision"... it just clearly states that "current owners" can enjoy the benefits of Zambezi, and all they need is a BIOS update.
     
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post #265 of 341
All check out the link in this thread about the FX CPUs release

http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...releasing.html

The key part of this press release is this statement:

"..AMD's FX-series will include 8-core, 6-core, and 4-core models, and will optimally run on a new socket currently referred to as "AM3+". Major motherboard vendors are expected to release AM3+ motherboards based on various chipsets around the same time.


"optimally run on AM3+" ? Perhaps that does mean that they WILL work on existing AM3
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Honestly Fr0sty, I think Asus' statement if fairly self explanatory in its own wording.

They clearly stated the words "Current owners"... which means if you already own one of their 8xx series boards, then all you need is a BIOS update.

The statement says nothing about requiring any hardware changes, nor any "new motherboard revision"... it just clearly states that "current owners" can enjoy the benefits of Zambezi, and all they need is a BIOS update.
QFT!!!!!! Atleast a few people understand the difference.
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Aside from the bickering in here, can't wait to have my bulldozer in my 890GX board.
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No it doesn't. Lol. It was AMD's official position that they won't support BD in AM3 so you can ask AMD's in-house mailman and he will tell you the same thing without his statement being cleared by any higher ups.

every statement must be cleared by higher ups to make sure that it doesnt hurt the company ... via either lies or bad choice of word ....


and in this case amd did say they wont support bulldozer in am3 motherboard and we should seek answers from asus instead on how they managed to make it work .... so its either the new am3+ or the did something in a bios and am3 was allready ok with the cpu ... but maybe its at a performance loss ????


who knows ... all im saying is we dont know alot right know on how it can work with the am3 socket vs the am3+ socket .... but its easier to slam a poster with the same responce



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Honestly Fr0sty, I think Asus' statement if fairly self explanatory in its own wording.

They clearly stated the words "Current owners"... which means if you already own one of their 8xx series boards, then all you need is a BIOS update.

The statement says nothing about requiring any hardware changes, nor any "new motherboard revision"... it just clearly states that "current owners" can enjoy the benefits of Zambezi, and all they need is a BIOS update.

yes the current owner wording is clear ... but will they have to endure performance loss vs the am3+ socket and 900 series chipset???


thats what i am fearing .... i do have an 800 series mobo from msi and if it works with asus why not for msi too right ???


but if there are big downside ill upgrade completly
Edited by Fr0sty - 3/18/11 at 9:05am
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I did not lie. AMD will only support BD in AM3+ sockets. And I did check with the desktop guys on that. Recently when some of this started to bubble up I asked them if our position has chnaged, and they said no.

I am going to drop from these threads as I don't like being called a liar and I really don't enjoy spending my vacation time saying the same thing over and over.

AMD's position has been consistent and will remain consistent.
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I did not lie. AMD will only support BD in AM3+ sockets. And I did check with the desktop guys on that. Recently when some of this started to bubble up I asked them if our position has chnaged, and they said no.

I am going to drop from these threads as I don't like being called a liar and I really don't enjoy spending my vacation time saying the same thing over and over.

AMD's position has been consistent and will remain consistent.
Once again with vague facts. Saying AMD will only support BD in AM3+ doesn't say that it won't physically fit or work in AM3 motherboards.

As many people have pointed out how AMD didn't support core unlocking, however it still works.

I'm not calling you or AMD a liar, because you're doing your job and giving us information that you get from other people. Sure, AMD can only support BD in AM3+, we get that. But it doesn't mean that it wont work.

Until the community gets the pin count and orientation, or a quote saying "It will NOT work in AM3 sockets and here's why" then there'll always be this constant bickering back and forth on who's right, who's wrong.

But now we have quotes to fall back on, that you said it will only be supported by AMD in AM3+ sockets, and that you do not have a pin count for us. That's enough for us to keep our speculation up. Nothing about physical compatibility has been mentioned.
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