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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post


Apparently you don't understand that the Board manufacturers make Intel boards too.

But hey how's this idea. You put up a 5 spot and I'll put up a Tenner. We'll see if AMD would warranty this or not. Cause as long as it fits w/o modification with a legitimate BIOS to make it work as put forth by the MoBo manufacturers, they pretty much have no other choice but to follow along. This is NOT Intel here folks. They tell you they won't support it so that you won't go out on your own and do it anyway without Manufacturer support.

They won't warranty your CPU if you have an aftermarket cooler either. How many of you have one of those.

Not me.(nevermind my CPU has been lapped)

~Ceadder
I do understand ASUS (for example) makes Intel boards as well, but I don't see how that has to do with anything...

Look, it comes down to the fact that most people here think AMD's "non-support" is nothing but marketing (to sell more AM3+ boards) and lip service. I tend to think there is something behind it... otherwise they would have "not supported" AM2+ in AM2 sockets and AM3 in AM2+ sockets. I simply noted a change in AMDs behavior and am drawing a conclusion.

But arguing is pointless. As I said earlier, lets just wait...
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I do understand ASUS (for example) makes Intel boards as well, but I don't see how that has to do with anything...

Look, it comes down to the fact that most people here think AMD's "non-support" is nothing but marketing (to sell more AM3+ boards) and lip service. I tend to think there is something behind it... otherwise they would have "not supported" AM2+ in AM2 sockets and AM3 in AM2+ sockets. I simply noted a change in AMDs behavior and am drawing a conclusion.

But arguing is pointless. As I said earlier, lets just wait...
I agree with some of what you said previously. However I think your missing the point.

Asus, MSi and possibly Gigabyte are, have or are soon to take the tact of offering AM3 support for Bulldozer. I doubt they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. Presumably they are doing so cause they are reasonably certain that there is no issue running BD on their AM3 boards.

AMD wants us to have ALL their features. Which includes the CnQ side of the system. How many overclockers even care about CnQ?

Every board Asus has green lighted for Bulldozer, are known OC'er boards. Now granted AMD says no to OC'ing but they warranty the CPUs' anyway out of recourse. I'm pretty sure that's because they have a hand in the OC'ing culture with Fusion.

In any case if they didn't back up the three largest Manufacturers that put their AMD sockets on the market, it's reasonable to assume that those three companies would pretty much take their balls and go home. They don't rely on AMD, AMD relies on them. Not only in the CPU market. Asus and MSi are(XFX is gaining a foothold) the biggest vendors on AMDs' list. It's not smart to soil the dinner table where these folks live.

Anyone who is a car guy can tell you it took a long time for Ford to rebound after cheezing off their vendors. To the point where they HAD to go straight up Intel on everyone for aftermarket parts. You couldn't find anything reasonably priced for a Mustang that didn't have a blue label on it and come from the dealer. They yanked their licenses from all the vendors and customers went to Chevy and Dodge. Only the most diehard Ford guys stayed with them.

So while there is money to be made selling when others won't, cheezing off the vendors will bite you in the wallet tenfold. If they give you a verifiable BIOS that doesn't harm your CPU, I see no reason why AMD would not honor customer warranties. They won't go out of their way to tell you you can do it. But they won't go out of their way to cut their nose off to spite their face either if you catch my drift. Which is why you probably won't hear a peep directly from AMD on this issue.

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You have a ch IV, no wonder you are trying to spoonfeed this BS to everyone - it makes you think your purchase was not in vein
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since Phenom II chips got massacred in Starcraft 2 & Black Ops reviews, I didn't want to be stuck with only them.
don't follow benchmarks blindly... i have over 1,000 league games in SC2 and have played everything from diamond 1v1 to diamond 4v4 full house games (4v4 most commonly). i have played it on an athlon II X4 and a phenom 2 555 on 2 cores. never did i lag or have a single problem. not one. not sure how exactly the phenom II chips are poor for sc2....
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don't follow benchmarks blindly... i have over 1,000 league games in SC2 and have played everything from diamond 1v1 to diamond 4v4 full house games (4v4 most commonly). i have played it on an athlon II X4 and a phenom 2 555 on 2 cores. never did i lag or have a single problem. not one. not sure how exactly the phenom II chips are poor for sc2....
lol, I mostly play custom games, and my X3440 (turbo enabled, HT disabled) gets it's rear end handed to it on a platter in nexus wars, some TDs, area/footmanfrenzy. My Phenom II "B50" didn't fare well at all in these games, either.

Admittedly, I didn't have issues in actual leauge matches, and I did have to use FRAPs to find the difference, and I went for the higher performing one just in case. However, the final deciding factor for me was mITX support, though the fear that the ASUS M4A88T-I might be useless in a short while, while the Gigabyte H55NUSB3 was only 80usd used, drove me in that direction for my current build. I have no problem waiting it out for a BD mITX board that's decent
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You have a ch IV, no wonder you are trying to spoonfeed this BS to everyone - it makes you think your purchase was not in vein
It wasn't in vain, since I'm running 955 BE at the moment and can still upgrade to Thuban. Having the ability to upgrade to Bulldozer is just frosting on the cake that I get to eat and have it too.

I just think that it's funny that people are so adamant about AM3 boards not being able to handle BD, but Asus believes that it can. Since they've had access to at least one BD, I should think they would know better than anybody what once can or cannot do with Bulldozer.

If this were some low level budget board maker I could see the skepticism. But this is one of the biggest baddest names in the MoBo manufacturing world; just like you don't tug on Superman's cape or spit in the wind...

~Ceadder
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I understand where you're all coming from but AMD chose to proceed with the AM3+ platform instead of AM3 for a reason. Take a look at the M2N-SLI for example, support was added for AM3 processors though the board itself is AM2 and they are indeed slower than AM3 counterparts. In this case it's because of the older HT and other factors going from AM2 to AM3, the point of updating a platform is to increase performance and efficiency however that may be and I don't see why AM3+ would be an exception.

With all of this said, it's still entirely possible that AM3 will offer similar performance compared to AM3+ but at this point all we can do is speculate. I'll be buying an AM3+ board either way but this does look like a good solution to those who aren't in the position to upgrade their board or are just that attached to their current one.
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That's a good point right there.

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It wasn't in vain, since I'm running 955 BE at the moment and can still upgrade to Thuban. Having the ability to upgrade to Bulldozer is just frosting on the cake that I get to eat and have it too.

I just think that it's funny that people are so adamant about AM3 boards not being able to handle BD, but Asus believes that it can. Since they've had access to at least one BD, I should think they would know better than anybody what once can or cannot do with Bulldozer.

If this were some low level budget board maker I could see the skepticism. But this is one of the biggest baddest names in the MoBo manufacturing world just like you don't tug on Superman's cape or spit in the wind...

~Ceadder
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you don't tug on Superman's cape or spit in the wind...

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This is how I felt when I was rerouted by the MoBo tech to the 1-888 number...

"Operator, wouldja hep me make this call..."

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