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Originally Posted by almighty15 View Post
BD is 942 pins ( AM3+ ) Phenom 2 is 941 pins ( AM3 )
No. It's not. Did you read ANY of the previous threads?


I'm gonna post this again:

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD View Post
Guys,

Here is the bottom line.

I am not going to answer any questions about pins, because a.) I don't know and b.) it's not my job to chase down client issues (I am in server).

We are NOT supporting Bulldozer in anything other than AM3+ sockets.

JF-AMD says right off the bat he doesn't know anything about the pins, so how do YOU know it physically won't fit? No AMD rep anywhere has said "It won't fit". Only the motherboard manufacturers and desktop AMD engineers know.

And are you completely blind?

The AM3 CPU uses 938 PINS.
The AM3 Socket has 941 HOLES.

Bulldozer can still use up to 2, and maybe 3 extra pins and still be fine for all we know. Are you doing any research or just spewing a bunch of crap you think you know?

Please refer to Chapter 1, Introduction:
http://support.amd.com/us/Processor_TechDocs/40523.pdf

Link me to where JF-AMD or any other AMD representatives say "Bulldozer will use 942 pins and physically will not fit into any AM3 or previous generation AMD Socket", then maybe people will take your post seriously. So far, even JF-AMD has said, he knows nothing about the pin count.

All I want to see is an AMD Rep to say "It wont physically fit because blah blah blah" rather than "we won't support it", and JF-AMD already said he doesn't know.
The AM3 CPU uses 938 PINS.
The AM3 Socket has 941 HOLES.
AM3b Socket has 942 HOLES

Please refer to Chapter 1, Introduction about AM3 Sockets & CPU compatibility:
http://support.amd.com/us/Processor_TechDocs/40523.pdf

Any more posts stating that it wont physically fit because the AM3b socket has 1 extra content will automatically be void. Please do some reading people.

Oh, and before anyone says anything, I'm not calling JF-AMD blind. I'm calling some other person blind because they want to pass up facts. Please go back and read the entire post. I'm done trying to reason with you zombies.
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post #322 of 341
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Do some research before posting something false.

Thurban has 938 pins even though the socket has 941. Nobody in the know has ever said BD will use all the 942 pins in AM3+.

Taking ASUS at their word, BD has no more than 941 pins in same config as AM3. I doubt they are marketing the impossible. As for the pin functions, I am sure they are going to take care of that in the BIOS.


AM3+ spec which is what Bulldozer was built for specifies 942 pins.

I never said it would use all of them
post #323 of 341
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Assuming those functions are able to be fixed with a BIOS update, AMD felt the need for socket AM3+ so I'd say it's safe to assume it's going to be crippled in one way or another.
I agree. If you read my earlier posts I say the exact same thing.

What I find silly is all of this back and forth about whether it will fit or not, pin and hole counts, JF said blah blah, ASUS sucks, etc. It WILL fit and it WILL work. Unless ASUS is lying...

But -- I am firmly with the people (like yourself) who think it won't work very well in AM3. I think it will be something like this...

BD (AM3/890FX) <<< BD(AM3+/890FX) < BD(AM3+/990FX) where the difference between AM3/890FX and AM3+/890FX is around 5-10% @ stock clocks.

EDIT @almighty15 -- If it doesn't use all of them then there is no reason why it won't fit in AM3. Dunno what you are trying to say with that post.
Edited by JCPUser - 3/20/11 at 9:07am
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My MSI board will support it 890FX-GD65
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post #325 of 341
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Assuming those functions are able to be fixed with a BIOS update, AMD felt the need for socket AM3+ so I'd say it's safe to assume it's going to be crippled in one way or another.
Yes but will those missing features have to be turned off when overclocking?

Turbo core and all the C&Q stuff is not used when overclocking a AM3 CPU...

Wonder if BD will be the same..
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Yes but will those missing features have to be turned off when overclocking?

Turbo core and all the C&Q stuff is not used when overclocking a AM3 CPU...

Wonder if BD will be the same..
You're poking in the dark with that example, AMD has stated that there were gains to be had going from AM3 to AM3+ and I doubt it's just from an updated Turbo Core.
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You're poking in the dark with that example, AMD has stated that there were gains to be had going from AM3 to AM3+ and I doubt it's just from an updated Turbo Core.
I personally doubt it, The key architectural heart of Bulldozer either works or it doesn't.

Cache is not chip-set dependant.
Per-clock performance is not chip-set dependant.
Core count is not chip-set dependant.
Available instruction sets are not chip-set dependant.

Chip features ARE chip-set dependant...

- Turbo Core v2
- More advanced Cool & Quiet

It's been said that Bulldozer won't have all the features running in 890FX compared to running in 990FX.

Cache is not a feature, Neither is core count, per-clock performance or the instruction sets that are supported.

I really do feel that the features that will be missing are the features that overclockers turn off when overclocking to improve stability.

I have so many features turned off on my Phenom 2 to hlep with my overclocking.
post #328 of 341
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I personally doubt it, The key architectural heart of Bulldozer either works or it doesn't.

Cache is not chip-set dependant.
Per-clock performance is not chip-set dependant.
Core count is not chip-set dependant.
Available instruction sets are not chip-set dependant.

Chip features ARE chip-set dependant...

- Turbo Core v2
- More advanced Cool & Quiet

It's been said that Bulldozer won't have all the features running in 890FX compared to running in 990FX.

Cache is not a feature, Neither is core count, per-clock performance or the instruction sets that are supported.

I really do feel that the features that will be missing are the features that overclockers turn off when overclocking to improve stability.

I have so many features turned off on my Phenom 2 to hlep with my overclocking.
Again, you're just coming up with possible scenarios. You're correct in that architecture either works or it doesn't, but that doesn't mean it works efficiently with a socket it wasn't intended or designed to work in.
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I look at it as though they were the Original Gameboys and Gameboy Colors.

Gameboy Color games were released, designed for Gameboy Colors (which used all the features), but could also work on original Gameboys with a lower color palette and other differences.

As everyone has stated, AM3 CPUs, do not use all the holes in the AM3 socket so who knows.

AMD has been known for their compatibility between sockets, so I certainly wouldn't put it past them.
    
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I look at it as though they were the Original Gameboys and Gameboy Colors.

Gameboy Color games were released, designed for Gameboy Colors (which used all the features), but could also work on original Gameboys with a lower color palette and other differences.

As everyone has stated, AM3 CPUs, do not use all the holes in the AM3 socket so who knows.

AMD has been known for their compatibility between sockets, so I certainly wouldn't put it past them.
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