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So wait... spending 5+ hours cleaning packages, config files and other garbage out of your system is better just backing up /home and doing a 20 minute reinstall?

If I wanted to track down and reverse every change I've made to my system since I installed Arch it would probably take me a week. It would be better to just do a net-install and reconfigure.


Honestly you shouldn't even be remotely dependent on your OS. Things fail, even on Linux. I keep all of my personal files on separate partitions so that if something screws up I just remove all of the config files from /home and do a reinstall. I try to keep as much stuff portable as possible. I don't even have to install anything aside from Chrome and drivers when I reinstall Windows. It takes me maybe 20-30 minutes.
    
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Well that's Arch. Personally it takes me a week to do a reinstall, since I have an absolutely monstrous number of packages that I have to install, and I usually forget some of them.
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if you cant remember all the packages you need why dont you keep them in a txt file so you can just go through step by step? my arch install is constantly under construction because there are things i forget to install...but that doesnt mean it takes me a week to "reinstall".
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That still doesn't answer the question of why do a reinstall in the first place?
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Well that's Arch. Personally it takes me a week to do a reinstall, since I have an absolutely monstrous number of packages that I have to install, and I usually forget some of them.
... a week? Dear god.

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That still doesn't answer the question of why do a reinstall in the first place?
Because its simple and less time consuming often. Sure it's nice to be able to maintain and clean out your system but usually its just not worth the effort, unless your maintaining a server or some legacy equipment. For everyday use though whats the point? And as far as keeping an old OS alive, eventually (especially in the case of the OP) you might as well catch up with modern times, your not doing yourself a disservice by installing a newer OS.

On a separate note, thats pretty cool that you ran with 8.04 for this long transhour. Cool beans indeed. Welcome to 10.10 haha.

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Same reason you don't upgrade Windows 95 to 7. Unless you're willing to manually update every package on your computer things will get cluttered. You'll be left with excess config files from previous versions, libraries that are no longer used, but still sit there anyway and useless backups of backups.

Doing a reinstall gets you a clean system untainted by dozens of updates.
    
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That still doesn't answer the question of why do a reinstall in the first place?
dunno just sounded like a good idea there was a lot of programs that were installed (not by apt, but from me compiling them and saying "to hell with it" and installing them without making a deb package) and lot of those programs had long since stopped being supported or were now available in the repositories...i'm honestly not regretting it, as it has given me a chance to update my build scripts and work on a new backup script that will be less space hogging on the server

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... a week? Dear god.



Because its simple and less time consuming often. Sure it's nice to be able to maintain and clean out your system but usually its just not worth the effort, unless your maintaining a server or some legacy equipment. For everyday use though whats the point? And as far as keeping an old OS alive, eventually (especially in the case of the OP) you might as well catch up with modern times, your not doing yourself a disservice by installing a newer OS.

On a separate note, thats pretty cool that you ran with 8.04 for this long transhour. Cool beans indeed. Welcome to 10.10 haha.

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i've been running ubuntu 10.10 since it came out actually, i just handled the upgrades from 8.04, to 9.10 to 10.04 then to 10.10 (if you're smart about it, you can avoid a upgrade boinking your system, its not hard to do, you just have to handle package upgrades and distro-upgrades manually vs allowing the automated update manager do it.)

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Same reason you don't upgrade Windows 95 to 7. Unless you're willing to manually update every package on your computer things will get cluttered. You'll be left with excess config files from previous versions, libraries that are no longer used, but still sit there anyway and useless backups of backups.

Doing a reinstall gets you a clean system untainted by dozens of updates.
aye...but i will again probably maintain this install just as long. things really don't change that much from version to version on ubuntu, its just when you look back at like 8.04 and then at 10.10 there are tons of changes, but from like 10.04 to 11.04...might end up with some slack...
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i've been running ubuntu 10.10 since it came out actually, i just handled the upgrades from 8.04, to 9.10 to 10.04 then to 10.10 (if you're smart about it, you can avoid a upgrade boinking your system, its not hard to do, you just have to handle package upgrades and distro-upgrades manually vs allowing the automated update manager do it.)
Then nevermind! Haha. Regardless, enjoy it anyways

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Same reason you don't upgrade Windows 95 to 7. Unless you're willing to manually update every package on your computer things will get cluttered. You'll be left with excess config files from previous versions, libraries that are no longer used, but still sit there anyway and useless backups of backups.

Doing a reinstall gets you a clean system untainted by dozens of updates.
Sounds like a problem with the package manager. Any decent package manager should completely remove old unnecessary versions of whatever is being updated.

I can't say anything about your backup strategy, if any.
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Yea thats my one gripe with pacman...

If you need to do any post-install configuring it tells you once during install, and if you're updating multiple packages it usually gets buried.

It will also not overwrite any config files. Instead it will just give you a stupid .pacnew

But I guess thats the price to pay for a rolling release.
    
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