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Corporate america > citizens.
i own shares of so said companies

lulz
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The sad thing is, it does discourage piracy--to a small extent--so he's not technically incorrect. But that's not the spirit of why an ISP is enforcing data caps.

As long as a user isn't able to pick-and-choose the information that they want coming down their data connection, data caps are unethical. So much crap that no one wants (i.e. ads) is stuffed into a packet regardless of whether the user wants it. ISP's contribute to the data stream, so many things, yet the user cannot specifically say "I didn't ask for this piece of data, therefore I don't want to pay for it."

The reason for this is the ISP's bottom line. Income. It has nothing to do with piracy, illegal downloads, or anything like that. It's to stagnate the internet to avoid expensive investments in new data architectures that will cause companies like AT&T and Comcast internet service providers to not hit their fourth year of record net income for their internet service provider businesses.
    
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In canada i'm paying the big monies for 20MB/s and a 70gb download+upload cap.

This means : I can only download 1 or 2 games per month.
I can never watch youtube videos over 480p quality ( I watch a lot of starcraft on youtube)
I obviously cannot use netflix or similar services.
I also watch anime and I must restrict myself to downloading the 720p versions instead of 1080p (yes the anime is pirated but its just impossible for me to watch it "legally".)
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In canada i'm paying the big monies for 20MB/s and a 70gb download+upload cap.

This means : I can only download 1 or 2 games per month.
I can never watch youtube videos over 480p quality ( I watch a lot of starcraft on youtube)
I obviously cannot use netflix or similar services.
I also watch anime and I must restrict myself to downloading the 720p versions instead of 1080p (yes the anime is pirated but its just impossible for me to watch it "legally".)
Way to miss the point.

On the other hand, it counters the original argument beautifully. Data cap's don't really do a whole lot to discourage piracy--just discourage the extent to which a subscribers uses their connection to do various other legal things with it.
    
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Yeah, I'm shocked that Hulu and Netflix and all aren't revolting over this. This has to kill their services.

This move had nothing to do with curtailing piracy or solving bottlenecks. It's a smokescreen for the ISPs to charge more for their service so they have to come up with less out-of-pocket capital to upgrade their infrastructure.

It's pathetic, and the politicians just take company big-wigs as truthtellers and use their testimony as fact. Bunch of morons.
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Biggest annoyance/red flag for me is their argument about the average people who use <2gb/month. (My ISP pulled this on me, on my "unlimited" plan which is now limited to 40gb (for me alone?) which is also choked from 1.5mbps to 0.5mbps. "uh well our highest user after you is only 7 gb/mo")

They always say it's to make it "fair" for those people; Fine, where are the 10$/mo 10gb plans? or 20$/mo 50gb plans?
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They will never stop us, once data goes digital its in the wind, and those of us who believe are getting older and older with more and more money to support our viewpoints
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Yeah. Brighthouse actually cut my upload side from 3-4Mb to 1Mb. I was like...WTH?

I'd fight, but I'm getting ready to leave Florida. So, I don't care. When I get where I'm moving if they have bandwidth caps or something, I'll tell them I want an unrestricted plan and negotiate a price with them.

If I want to watch YouTube on 3 different computers simultaneously, I should be able to 24/7 if I want. If they don't have enough bandwidth, that's poor netowrk design...not user issues.
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I can (and am currently) top 250 GB in a week easily! Between downloading classic TV show full seasons and my favorite XXX series, 250 GB is small compared to what I probably download. I can realistically fill up a 1 TB HDD in a month, and that's just with movies and music.

The fact that one person uses 10 GB and I use 100 GB means nothing. I pay for my unlimited service. The fact that the other person isn't maxing out their subscription is their problem, not mine. Also, if we average out the percentage of heavy downloaders, it will be small potatoes compared to the available bandwidth on the network.

Read between the lines people. This isn't about capacity, it's about making more money.
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The sad thing is that "a lot of Data" is relative to the growth of technology.
They more advanced we get the more data we will use on average.

Data Caps are ISP's Freaking out about lost revenue from alternatives to paid programing.

Guess what ISP's maybe you need to invest in better, Cheaper paid programing.

Up until ISP started with broadband "piracy was not really there concern"
Now that people have Free Media alternatives through the internet, they magically care.

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