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Umm... wow, the Gray Lady is finally catching up to 2006?

Wait, no they're not... they seem to think that "online gambling" is illegal. The only form of internet gambling specifically prohibited by law is sports betting, unless you live in states like Washington.

Anyway... [don't tap the glass]


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With these bots people can play 8 games of poker at once! If the bots are any good, they make you money too!
Back in my multitabling days, I played six tables at once. If I'd had a second monitor, I could have played 10 or 12. You don't need bots to tell you to fold 150 of the 169 possible starting combinations.
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Actually, domestic online gambling was banned in the States in 2007, I think. My dad plays online poker all the time, and PartyPoker and Doyle's Room closed down when that act was passed. Full Tilt and PokerStars can still do it because their servers are hosted offshore, sort of how The Pirate Bay has gotten out of legal trouble in the States before because it's hosted out of Sweden.

I was actually expecting bots to have been playing for a lot longer. Someone, I figured, had to have had the idea. So far it doesn't seem like they're particularly effective.
    
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Guys there is no "counting cards" or "memorizing odds" in poker.
Uh, what? Tons of hustlers count cards and know odds, that how so many people make fortunes off of it. It's not just blind luck.
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Guys there is no "counting cards" or "memorizing odds" in poker.
... Do you even know what the system of counting cards is? Of COURSE you can count cards in poker. Counting cards is you keeping track of which cards are being drawn into the center (in Texas Hold Em) or whichever game you're playing if the cards are handed out face-up and knowing which cards are remaining to be drawn so that you have a good idea of what everyone around you has in their hands according to how strong or weak your own hand is.
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Actually, domestic online gambling was banned in the States in 2007, I think. My dad plays online poker all the time, and PartyPoker and Doyle's Room closed down when that act was passed. Full Tilt and PokerStars can still do it because their servers are hosted offshore, sort of how The Pirate Bay has gotten out of legal trouble in the States before because it's hosted out of Sweden.

I was actually expecting bots to have been playing for a lot longer. Someone, I figured, had to have had the idea. So far it doesn't seem like they're particularly effective.
The UIGEA that passed late in 2006 did nothing to criminalize internet gambling. Instead, it tried to clamp down on banks and payment processors, to prevent the flow of money to and from internet gambling sites.

All of the poker sites that existed in 2006 were offshore. Party and Doyle's (and Cake, PokerRoom, and several others) closed their doors to US traffic because they didn't want to deal with the extra financial hurdles imposed by UIGEA. Stars and FullTilt saw the volume of players they could pick up, and decided that the opportunity was worth the risk.

The Department of Justice will swear up and down that internet poker is illegal; but they've never prosecuted anyone on those grounds, and they have neither the letter of the law nor the case precedents to back up their claim.
    
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This Poker Table is VAC Secured
Cheating will result in a permanent ban
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I know 2 people that multi table for a bit of cash on the side, they play within the odds never taking chances and make quite a bit of money. Its not even playing real poker its just memorizing card odds tables and folding allot. Im assuming these bots do the same thing but on a larger scale and they dont have to sleep.
I hate playing like this, it gets old fast...

It's like playing Texas Fold-Em instead of Texas Hold-Em...

I have played Texas Holdem at Harrahs casino regularly for many years now, many of the players are extremely good, and remember, bluffing happens ALL THE TIME...

So a bot will just be folded on when they bring the goods...

Any real poker player should be able to dominate a bot with ease, especially when you start talking about a short table or heads up!

Folding doesn't work in short tables...
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This Poker Table is VAC Secured
Cheating will result in a permanent ban
When there is money involved it should involve criminal prosecution.

Or if you were in Vegas, they would just take you out to the parking lot and deal with you....
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Guys there is no "counting cards" or "memorizing odds" in poker.


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I hate playing like this, it gets old fast...

It's like playing Texas Fold-Em instead of Texas Hold-Em...

I have played Texas Holdem at Harrahs casino regularly for many years now, many of the players are extremely good, and remember, bluffing happens ALL THE TIME...

So a bot will just be folded on when they bring the goods...

Any real poker player should be able to dominate a bot with ease, especially when you start talking about a short table or heads up!

Folding doesn't work in short tables...
Yep Texas fold-em is right lol. People that memorize fold/raise charts make allot once you get above the rake, it just ends up being a game of attrition.
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Actually poker bots have been around for a long long time...

It's just that some gambling reporter decided to write about it...

The whole concept behind the bot is to train it how to answer, through coding, telling it when to fold and when to alert the master there is a hot hand in play...etc..

So the user can ignore the table till a hot hand is dealt, like smoking aces, etc..

With these bots people can play 8 games of poker at once! If the bots are any good, they make you money too!
Reporter acknowledges they have been around for a while. But up until recently they just haven't been too effective. Similar to a Watson bot trying to beat a top Jeopardy contestant 2 or 3 years back.
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