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what are all of you, poker pros or grinders?

There is no counting cards in texas holdem, omaha, etc, not really sure what fold/raise charts are but I have a somewhat idea of what you may be talking about and no, pros do not use them. Poker is a skill game, you cannot cheat in poker unless you can see the other persons cards, which does happen with superuser accounts on the online sites, I just think most of you have no clue what your talking about.
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what are all of you, poker pros or grinders?

There is no counting cards in texas holdem, omaha, etc, not really sure what fold/raise charts are but I have a somewhat idea of what you may be talking about and no, pros do not use them. Poker is a skill game, you cannot cheat in poker unless you can see the other persons cards, which does happen with superuser accounts on the online sites, I just think most of you have no clue what your talking about.
This is mostly true. I don't know why everyone is jumping on that guy who said there is no counting cards in poker. There isn't.

At most, a bot can play and help calculate things like pot odds faster. Nothing a skilled human can't do. "Counting cards" is keeping track of high versus low (segmented values, face cards, etc) coming out of a deck/shoe that is continuously dealt from, like Blackjack. Poker decks are shuffled after every hand.

My experience, if you care to know: I've been playing for about 10 years. Both online and live. I play a lot online. Last year I pulled in about $42,000 in online poker earnings on PStars. Before you guys jump on people for saying you can cheat, you should first have an idea about what you're talking about.

Of course, automated play is "cheating" in the sense that the other person doesn't have to be at the computer to run a bot. But against another player who can calculate pot odds (not hard to do), the bot has no advantage. Actually, on the contrary, the player can determine what kind of pattern the bot is playing with and the non-player quickly becomes the one who is at a disadvantage.
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This is mostly true. I don't know why everyone is jumping on that guy who said there is no counting cards in poker. There isn't.

At most, a bot can play and help calculate things like pot odds faster. Nothing a skilled human can't do. "Counting cards" is keeping track of high versus low (segmented values, face cards, etc) coming out of a deck/shoe that is continuously dealt from, like Blackjack. Poker decks are shuffled after every hand.

My experience, if you care to know: I've been playing for about 10 years. Both online and live. I play a lot online. Last year I pulled in about $42,000 in online poker earnings on PStars. Before you guys jump on people for saying you can cheat, you should first have an idea about what you're talking about.

Of course, automated play is "cheating" in the sense that the other person doesn't have to be at the computer to run a bot. But against another player who can calculate pot odds (not hard to do), the bot has no advantage. Actually, on the contrary, the player can determine what kind of pattern the bot is playing with and the non-player quickly becomes the one who is at a disadvantage.
If playing against a very skilled poker player, you have a point.

Against good players or worse (the majority of players), bots could/would do better than well against them.
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If playing against a very skilled poker player, you have a point.

Against good players or worse (the majority of players), bots could/would do better than well against them.
I'm not arguing that. I'm just laughing at the people who think there's some magical formula or method to "cheat," like counting cards in Blackjack.
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At least the larger poker sites are trying to crack down on the bots.


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This is mostly true. I don't know why everyone is jumping on that guy who said there is no counting cards in poker. There isn't.

At most, a bot can play and help calculate things like pot odds faster. Nothing a skilled human can't do. "Counting cards" is keeping track of high versus low (segmented values, face cards, etc) coming out of a deck/shoe that is continuously dealt from, like Blackjack. Poker decks are shuffled after every hand.

My experience, if you care to know: I've been playing for about 10 years. Both online and live. I play a lot online. Last year I pulled in about $42,000 in online poker earnings on PStars. Before you guys jump on people for saying you can cheat, you should first have an idea about what you're talking about.

Of course, automated play is "cheating" in the sense that the other person doesn't have to be at the computer to run a bot. But against another player who can calculate pot odds (not hard to do), the bot has no advantage. Actually, on the contrary, the player can determine what kind of pattern the bot is playing with and the non-player quickly becomes the one who is at a disadvantage.
$42k Nice. Is that playing full time (your job) or just on the side?
Also as you said poker isn't black jack.
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$42k Nice. Is that playing full time (your job) or just on the side?
Also as you said poker isn't black jack.
$41,322.95 to be exact.

I probably play about 20 hours a week, on average. Some weeks (when the fiancee is out of town) I'll play a lot more. Sometimes (when I'm out of town) I don't have time to play at all.

It was my best year. You have to be patient and play smart. Even then you get unlucky and have bad beats. I've been through months where I was down an easy 5k. That's the most difficult part about it. Being able to take those fluctuations.
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$41,322.95 to be exact.
It's awesome. Congrats. Guess I should start doing something productive (i.e. money producing) with my time.
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$41,322.95 to be exact.

I probably play about 20 hours a week, on average. Some weeks (when the fiancee is out of town) I'll play a lot more. Sometimes (when I'm out of town) I don't have time to play at all.

It was my best year. You have to be patient and play smart. Even then you get unlucky and have bad beats. I've been through months where I was down an easy 5k. That's the most difficult part about it. Being able to take those fluctuations.
20 hrs a week x 52 weeks a year = 1040 hrs a year

$41,322.95 / 1040 = ~$39.73 an hr. (pre tax ) Congratulations!

Being down 5k and still pushing on must require a strong stomach.

This really makes me want to start practicing / dusting off my poker skills.
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