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Hi guys, this is my first post and I like these forums a lot already
So I'm running an older system(computer years), built in 2008 but I've since upgraded my graphics card to a HD5770. Anyway, I'm starting to overclock and I was surprised when I found out what a Black Edition actually did. So I'm VERY noob, and I'd like to know whats simpler and gets you good speeds for a noob. Overclocking by raising the multiplier and when you fail to boot, increase voltages OR lower the multi and raise the FSB. I'd like to do the second option, primarily because it also overclocks your system. I'm not looking for the most epic increase ever by tweaking everything, maybe just RAM and the motherboard slightly. I would also like to know how to simply increase my RAM, and if i should set it to ~1066mz (the next option after 800mz) for an increase in performance.

If you guys would like to know, I want to overclock because I'm getting slowish FPS on an emulator I'm running, while my friend is getting faster speeds and it seems the only difference in our PC's are the processors. I would also like it for maybe faster video renders and quickened start up times, plus general performance increase.

Thanks in advance guys, means a lot.
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well your mainboard should handle a decent overclock, what kind of cooler are you using? For a noob it might be a bit easier for you to just bump up the multiplier a bit and see what you can get. I managed to get my 9850 stable at 3GHz on air with a Biostar TA790GX.
    
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I'm using the COOLERMASTER HYPER TX-3 CPU COOLER Air Heatsink, which is giving me temps of 67 with all cores at 100% stock. I dont think that is good to be honest, a little to high for a stock temp.
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Bump up the multiplier .5 at a time but keep a watch on your temps. AMD chips are designed to Throttle down when the temps are within 10-15C of their firewall (Max Temp) So there is a chance that you may overclock and indeed see a decrease in performance. If this becomes the case clock it back until you can invest in a good cooler. An H50 or the newer H70 are both formidable combatants and will keep your chip well within its ranges on full Load. Only expect a minimal Overclock on Air.

******* 9850 max temp according to Amd is 61C **********
http://products.amd.com/pages/deskto...ookieSupport=1

I Advise you to leave the clock stock until better cooling is achieved
Edited by PinkNinja - 3/16/11 at 2:24am
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since you have a BE i would just up the multiplier, till you can't anymore.

Make sure you have good cooling on that cpu and check for stability after you find your max. if that is not stable go down on your multiplier by 2 till your stable and then go up by one and see if that stable.
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Bump up the multiplier .5 at a time but keep a watch on your temps. AMD chips are designed to Throttle down when the temps are within 10-15C of their firewall (Max Temp) So there is a chance that you may overclock and indeed see a decrease in performance. If this becomes the case clock it back until you can invest in a good cooler. An H50 or the newer H70 are both formidable combatants and will keep your chip well within its ranges on full Load. Only expect a minimal Overclock on Air.

its called disable AMD Cool'n'Quite.
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So technically now I'm in the danger zone for my CPU temp? My cousin, who has an overclocked Intel and hes overclocked others, said that since its a stress test and the system is never running at 100% anyway, it shouldn't matter that my temps are that high. Is this good advice? I don't know why my temps are so high anyway, the cooler seems to have no effect at all.
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Hey guys,
I overclocked my processor multi to 13.5, giving me an effective cpu speed of 2.7ghz. This is a very slight increase from 2.5. I then went into my windows and stressed with OCCT, and failed almost immediatly. So I went back into my BIOS, increase the voltages +0.050v to my CPU, to which an *System voltages not optimized!* warning kept flashing. I ignored this as this is supposedly meant to happen, and I then increase multi to 14x, booted windows, and was greeted with a blue screen. I then raised the voltages to +0.075v (stock was 1.3v and supposed safe is 1.5v) and it reported on startup "Windows was unable to boot". I then went into my BIOS and brang down the voltage a bit, and also the multi to 13.5 again, to which windows was STILL unable to boot. I haven't touched any settings, although i finally got windows to boot by selecting "Boot normally" under my stock settings.

The last successful BOOTING overclock (not stable) was 13.5x, idle temp 43ish C, bus speed 2,7ghz.

What am I doing wrong?
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0.025 Increments don't really do all that much I've noticed. But that's for just my case. I've been really trying to overclock the past few days and I can't seem to get past ~3.6Ghz. So I figured I'll try alternative methods and I raised my FSB by around 15 (finding that's the most stable) but to do this I had to increase my CPU-NB VID, CPU Voltage, Northbridge Voltage and RAM Voltage by alot. RAM 0.2v increase, CPU 0.1v Increase, Northbridge 0.3v Increase and CPU-NB VID 0.15v increase. So keep trying a bit but really watch those temperatures. Try dusting out your case and fan, give it a good clean. Make sure air flow is sufficient and whatnot (dust can REALLY be a problem).
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You will definitely need a much better cooler than that TX-3, at the very least get a hyper 212+. But if want a really nice cooler look at either the Thermolab Baram or the NH-D14, they both perform extremely well for their price point.
    
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