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I have been for awhile now on and off with some games with my SLI gtx 460 set up. It handles most games at max to be honest, but some of the newer games that have come out such as rift and shogun total war with all the eyecandy on I am seeing a little dip in performance. I run at 1920x1200 resolution in these games.

My question is, could this possibly be because of the VRAM? or because I am seeing a fps loss the game is feeling not as smooth because of SLI (microstutter)?

Money really is not a issue, I have been holding back to upgrade for awhile now. What is your opinions on this guys? I have been waiting for the 590 to see how that fairs and i believe is comming out soon.
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Gtx 590 will be out soon but with the release of the clocks it seems it may be on par with GTX 570 in SLi. If money is no issue go Sli 580's or hell quad CF 6990's.
    
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I would try to wait until the next major GPU release from both sides and then pick which ever one you prefer then, Kepler if you are still leaning towards Nvidia. You have a very powerful set up as it is and I don't really think it would be a very cost effective time for you to upgrade until the end of the year.

But seeing as you did mention money not being an issue then I would recommend SLI 570s or 580s rather than the 590 just because of the fact that the 590 will likely be hotter and louder and will certainly be slower than full 580s, maybe even slower than SLI 570s as well. I would recommend SLI 570s as being the best match for the performance and also additional VRAM that you would be looking for and should meet all your present needs into the future as long you you don't increase your resolution. If you want to kinda go crazy and get SLI 580s for 1920x1200 then I would actually recommend going really crazy and looking for a 3GB version that would let you make use of the insane amount of money you would be investing longer into the future even if you increased resolution, and would not be horribly VRAM bound if you felt like going tri-SLI way down the road.

As fun as all that sounds though I think you would be better served by waiting for Kepler which should be more of a performance increase from the current top of the line than you would get from going from what you have to current top of the line.
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I don't play either of the games that you mentioned, but if it is severe hitching and stuttering, you're most likely held back by the amount of VRAM on your cards. Do you have the 1GB version or the 768MB? You may also be able to check out your VRAM usage too with MSI Afterburner while playing your games. If you see that the limit is constantly being reached and notice that that is when the dips happen, then you've just confirmed a VRAM limitation.

If money is no object, then definitely opt for the best graphics cards that you can afford. A single GTX580 should more than suffice for your single display resolution. Going for GTX570/580 in SLI or GTX590 seems very much overkill for the majority of games out there, but if absolute performance means that much to you, then any of those will do the trick.

However, if you have ANY intentions whatsoever in the near future to upgrade to a 2560x1600 display, 120Hz monitor for 3D gaming, or adding two more monitors for Surround, I would highly suggest the GTX580/590 (and for that matter the 3GB variant of the GTX580 if you can find them) as the extra VRAM will come in handy for those large resolutions.
     
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pair of 580 should do the job way enough
and if your current 460 are 1gb version when you upgrade let me know... i want a 2nd one lol
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...Do you have the 1GB version or the 768MB?...
That's a good question, and one I forgot to ask. I assumed you had the 1GB 460s and if you do then what I said above is true and you do have a very powerful set up already and I would try to wait for Kepler, but if you have the 768MB ones than an upgrade may be in order and I would recommend nothing less than SLI 570s.

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...A single GTX580 should more than suffice for your single display resolution...
If he does have the 1GB 460 I would say that anything less than SLI 570s would be a sidegrade for him because if I recall correctly SLI 1GB 460s beat a 480 handily and should also atleast match a single 580 if not edge it out as well.
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That's a good question, and one I forgot to ask. I assumed you had the 1GB 460s and if you do then what I said above is true and you do have a very powerful set up already and I would try to wait for Kepler, but if you have the 768MB ones than an upgrade may be in order and I would recommend nothing less than SLI 570s.



If he does have the 1GB 460 I would say that anything less than SLI 570s would be a sidegrade for him because if I recall correctly SLI 1GB 460s beat a 480 handily and should also atleast match a single 580 if not edge it out as well.
They are both the 1GB models that I have. And many people have said they would match around a 580, i will test the VRAM using msi afterburner and see whats happening on that side but im pretty sure it is because its fine without all the eye candy such as super sampling AA etc.. on. Or maybe I am just expecting too much lol? I have been thinking about SLI 580 and I did state money was not an issue but is it really needed for my resolution? I'd be willing to fork out for it if it is, but if its not then no chance
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No SLI 580 is certainly not necessary and would be way overkill for your resolution. I would really recommend just lowering the AA down just one setting and sticking with what you have, which like I said is a very powerful set up for your resolution, until the end of the year and see what the next GPU cycle brings.
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If he does have the 1GB 460 I would say that anything less than SLI 570s would be a sidegrade for him because if I recall correctly SLI 1GB 460s beat a 480 handily and should also atleast match a single 580 if not edge it out as well.
Agreed.

However, I feel it really comes down to the game itself. If the game has high resolution textures then the 1.5GB of VRAM on the GTX580 will provide a much smoother gameplay experience over the 1GB GTX460's. Again, I'm not sure about the games that the OP is interested in playing, so it is just a gross generalization.

With that said, I found GTX570 in SLI to be massive overkill for a single 1920x1200 display. Sure I could max out virtually every setting in just about any game out there, but I was hard pressed to really tell the difference visually, aside from what the FPS counter was telling me. For me, it seemed like a waste of money as my second card barely saw much activity.
     
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Agreed.

However, I feel it really comes down to the game itself. If the game has high resolution textures then the 1.5GB of VRAM on the GTX580 will provide a much smoother gameplay experience over the 1GB GTX460's. Again, I'm not sure about the games that the OP is interested in playing, so it is just a gross generalization.

With that said, I found GTX570 in SLI to be massive overkill for a single 1920x1200 display. Sure I could max out virtually every setting in just about any game out there, but I was hard pressed to really tell the difference visually, aside from what the FPS counter was telling me. For me, it seemed like a waste of money as my second card barely saw much activity.
Is SLI 570's and 580's fine to run in a high air flow case? I know with the 480's they seemed to be hotter and heard that the 5 series has better cooling. Also if I did do a upgrade like that how will my PSU fair out?
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