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Rod Fergusson has lamented the decline of the true beta process, telling us that you simply can't do technical betas anymore.

Speaking to Strategy Informer at a special Gears of War 3 multiplayer event, Fergusson pinned this new state of affairs on a more ignorant (my words, not his) console audience.
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Yep. The typical console player will download and play a Beta just because they can. They'll play it endlessly through its Beta times and not give a bit of feedback on it.

PC players, on the other hand, are more prone to give input and report bugs efficiently. I remember when the CS:S beta was out, I was reporting and giving input from the main menu option after nearly every round. "Oh, spotted a bug in this map, reported." "Wow, it would really be cool if there was an extra window here" (Office, and it was added). Developers DO listen to feedback, the players just need to give it and know how to PROPERLY give it/introduce it.
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That's true. An actual "beta" these days run the risk of causing more damage because people keep assuming they're getting "demos." The way I see it is that devs should almost always keep betas internal. Something like Starcraft, I suppose is good since balance is so finely tuned (and still wasn't perfect at release) but for shooters and the like, they should keep the beta tester pool large but confined.
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I think devs absolutely need beta tests so when the official release comes out, the game isn't a pile of crap.

Most games that don't do betas or hell even demos, normally turn out to be crap games.
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YEs you can. Even though most people WONT evaluate it, some will. And those are the valuable ones.
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I am a beta for a fps game and i can PROMISE you, its as beta as a beta can get.
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The main thing I hate about many beta's I've tried is, they make giving feedback hard! Some have no place at all to give feedback.

I did like the Darkspore beta, after each round a pop-up appears asking for feedback, easy to use, quick and short, just the way it should be.
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What they need to do is have beta feedback be mandatory for participation in the beta.
Require all beta users to submit their experiences (good or bad) on a daily bases, and if a report doesnt come in or is clearly bs then they lose their beta access.

Because the sad thing is even in pc betas like 95% of the people will just play the game abuse the trust developers put in them. Even if you hate the game after playing it, you should leave feedback, same if you love it and didnt experience any bugs or things that needed advice, developers would gladly take a response that tells them what they did right then no response at all.
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Yea the majority of people don't seem to understand what a beta is anymore. It's also annoying that when dev's do release a beta, 90% of the feedback they get is angry kids whining about it telling the dev they suck and tell everyone not to buy their game. I don't really blame them for not releasing betas very often anymore, it doesn't do them much good.

Yet again, if the Gears of War dev's would wise up they could release the game for the PC, bring us a beta, and get some actual feedback instead of relying on 13 year old kids to do the job.
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What they need to do is have beta feedback be mandatory for participation in the beta.
Require all beta users to submit their experiences (good or bad) on a daily bases, and if a report doesnt come in or is clearly bs then they lose their beta access.

Because the sad thing is even in pc betas like 95% of the people will just play the game abuse the trust developers put in them. Even if you hate the game after playing it, you should leave feedback, same if you love it and didnt experience any bugs or things that needed advice, developers would gladly take a response that tells them what they did right then no response at all.
Everyday is a bit harsh, as I don't play games everyday, mostly on the weekends. Just have a pop-up every hour of gameplay, that would work just fine.
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