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The 2nd Generation iteration/refresh of Bulldozer should also be on the 22nm process.
No, it's still 32nm, see slide above ;-)
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You can't really believe it though. Its from RumorPedia. Not anything like Engadget, TomsHardware, AMD, etc.
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post #163 of 190
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No, it's still 32nm, see slide above ;-)
If the second iteration/refresh for Bulldozer is on 32nm then will the Third and final refresh/iteration be on the 22nm process ?
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If the second iteration/refresh for Bulldozer is on 32nm then will the Third and final refresh/iteration be on the 22nm process ?
Correct
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Your post makes no sense.
How did it not?

You:

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IMO, Intel can have the lead over AMD in the top performance chips. AMD being slightly behind makes for better prices.
AMD is slightly behind, and that isn't making prices any better, per the 2500k is $10 less than a 1100t.

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Intel motherboard for enthusiasts: $200-$300
AMD motherboard for enthusiasts: $100-$200
CPU price is not the whole picture here, whole platform costs are. Even if the chip is the same price, the Intel board is more. I've looked at moving to Intel, an i5 chip is only a bit more than a quad PhenomII, but a good board is a lot more dough. I can get into the greatest AMD boards for the price of a decent midrange Intel one.
Not sure which "enthusiast" boards you're referring to. Obviously the pointless Sabretooth is over $300. The ASUS P8P67 Pro is $150. That's with SLI/Crossfire.
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I wasn't trying to say HT was related to an actual psychical core, simply trying to relate how HT acts as far as performance is concerned. It can be as high as 50%(1.5 cores per se) or possibly 85% as you stated, if the code is very sloppy and HT can be used to its fullest. Of course we typically only see 10-15% and sometimes even less.

I was only trying to shut the people up saying BD will still fail if it takes 8 "cores" to beat Intel's 4. Both companies are not using a normal, run of the mill core anymore. Both are using different tactics to beef up, what we would typically call a core, to increase the performance of said core. Your .85 core numbers make the point I was trying to make more valid, ironically. With HT on, if each core is 1.85 cores in terms of speed then it is perfectly valid to compare that to each AMD module which is like 1.7-1.75 cores in terms of speed. Only difference is, I hope at least, AMD's 1.75 cores will always perform like 1.75 cores whereas Intel's can fluctuate from 1.85 all the way down to 1.0 or sub 1.0 when HT isn't effective.

Again though, I know you cannot directly relate HT with extra cores or even relate HT to AMD's module approach, they are two totally different approaches and work completely different. I was trying to give them both a relative core count based on speed increases from each approach. I wish I could write it out more clearly, but finding it hard to get what I am thinking from my brain to the keyboard As long as the prices are in the same bracket, it shouldn't matter anyway though.
Alright, I get the point you were trying to make.
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AMD is slightly behind, and that isn't making prices any better, per the 2500k is $10 less than a 1100t.
Consider platform price.

As for the BDII being on 32nm still - amd can get much more out of its manurfacturing process than intel - look at the situation with the Phenom II - 2 extra cores, not an increase in TDP.

I really hope bulldozer comes good. Now, how can I ensure that I get this for my birthday?
    
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Makes no diff teh meez. I'm just going to keep my existing ass raping sb rig w/sli 570's. Then, when bd drops, rip out my thuban from my chiv, plop in new bd cpu and ass rape with an amd + a drop in 6990. Problem solved. Raping from both sides.....
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AMD is slightly behind, and that isn't making prices any better, per the 2500k is $10 less than a 1100t.
And yet in many cases the Phenom II X6 is better than the Core i5 2500k. Those cases being programs that can take advantage of more than four threads. Six physicals cores in such a multi-threaded program will always beat out four physical cores + four logical ones. Actually in one or two benchmarks, the Phenom II X6 1100t ousted the 980X (slightly and those could have been anomalies), but in every other one it was mauled (as one would expect).

Furthermore, in all cases both CPU's are more than capable of playing modern games at well over 60fps. By the by, it is absolutely pointless to play a game beyond 60fps as that is when the motion is perfectly fluid. So it all depends on your needs, if all you are doing is gaming, for instance, you don't need either CPU's listed above.

In any case, Nehalem was just a Phenom knockoff, but done much better as they had more money to put into R&D.
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And yet in many cases the Phenom II X6 is better than the Core i5 2500k. Those cases being programs that can take advantage of more than four threads. Six physicals cores in such a multi-threaded program will always beat out four physical cores + four logical ones. Actually in one or two benchmarks, the Phenom II X6 1100t ousted the 980X (slightly and those could have been anomalies), but in every other one it was mauled (as one would expect).

Furthermore, in all cases both CPU's are more than capable of playing modern games at well over 60fps. By the by, it is absolutely pointless to play a game beyond 60fps as that is when the motion is perfectly fluid. So it all depends on your needs, if all you are doing is gaming, for instance, you don't need either CPU's listed above.

In any case, Nehalem was just a Phenom knockoff, but done much better as they had more money to put into R&D.
^This.
    
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