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I wholeheartedly agree in the case of exclusives, in cross-platforms I disagree though, consoles are dragging the quality of PC games down which is a shame since it has so much potential.
Exactly, exclusives effectively use the console to its full potential. Would heavy rain have looked the same if it was a multiplat on 360?? I seriously doubt it.

Would crysis have been the masterpiece it was if it was on consle? again no.
Look at 2 for more proof.
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Console gaming and PC gaming of the previous generations were perfect. Each specialized in something different to the other. Now everybody is in everybody's business.
Thanks to that, i know gotta put up with fanboys and their herp derp PC vs PS vs Xbox crap. To be fair, sometimes certain versions of a game are far superior on one platform, and i suppose that should be discussed... but meh w/e.

I'll say it again, there's too much money in this industry now...
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I agree, true gamers care about the quality of the games not the hardware which are used to play them.



Wrong. Exclusives are rarely decided on the latter stages of development. Usually PS3 exclusives are made by companies who are owned by sony from the get go.
Examples:
Guerrila owned by sony since 2005
Naughty dog owned since 2001
Santa Monica owned since 1999 (founded by sce)
Zipper Interactive owned since 2005

Heavy rain isnt owned by sce. The developers decided by themselves to make it a ps3 exclusive, rather than on xbox and PC, they didnt care about the money as games on 360 always sell better. They wanted a single peice of hardware so they could make the game as beautiful as they could.
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/556/why...-ps3-exclusive
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Heavy Rain was originally planned to be released also for the PC and to use Ageia, with two separate versions of the game to handle the presence or lack of an appropriate physics processing unit on the computer. However, the game became a PlayStation 3 exclusive and the PhysX engine was replaced by the Havok engine.
Also this is just one case, and from what I remember I usually hear that a game will be an exclusive only when the devs start showing trailers and the like.

And even if they did plan to make it an exclusive from the beginning, it would still not be true that games are great simply because they are exclusives. They will look better due to being optimized but in overall quality that is a non-sequitur, nor should it be.

Also the devs here are really full of it. They chose the PS3 because it's the strongest platform? (from your link)
Guess they forgot about PC. Money does that to you...
And don't tell me it's about optimization. Just look at how great half-life 2 runs on old systems.
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From Wikipedia:


Also this is just one case, and from what I remember I usually hear that a game will be an exclusive only when the devs start showing trailers and the like.

And even if they did plan to make it an exclusive from the beginning, it would still not be true that games are great simply because they are exclusives. They will look better due to being optimized but in overall quality that is a non-sequitur, nor should it be.

Also the devs here are really full of it. They chose the PS3 because it's the strongest platform? (from your link)
Guess they forgot about PC. Money does that to you...
And don't tell me it's about optimization. Just look at how great half-life 2 runs on old systems.
Heavy rain was in development for years, long before PCs had the tech they had now.
I dont think heavy rain would've worked on a PC, it is best played relaxing on your sofa with a controller. The game is basicly a film, do you watch films sitting at your desktop? Making it a PS3 exclusive wasnt a financial choice, they couldve made way more money by making it a multiplat. That is why I applaud developers they chose quality over money. Not mention the dialogue was released in 10 different launguages with perfect lip syncing for each one and this hugely benefited from bluray.
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agreed, Heavy Rain would not work on a PC. its just not a PC game. unless you have actually played it, you wont understand. no amount of Google-ed tech knowledge and numbers is gonna back you up, Heavy Rain is not as much of a game as it is an experience. it just doesnt suit a PC environment.
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Ok first, who said I don't have my PC in my living room/bed room? Wireless mouse + keyboard = win
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Heavy rain was in development for years, long before PCs had the tech they had now.
I dont think heavy rain would've worked on a PC, it is best played relaxing on your sofa with a controller. The game is basicly a film, do you watch films sitting at your desktop? Making it a PS3 exclusive wasnt a financial choice, they couldve made way more money by making it a multiplat. That is why I applaud developers they chose quality over money. Not mention the dialogue was released in 10 different launguages with perfect lip syncing for each one and this hugely benefited from bluray.
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I agree, true gamers care about the quality of the games not the hardware which are used to play them.
Good job on contradicting yourself.
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Ok first, who said I don't have my PC in my living room/bed room? Wireless mouse + keyboard = win
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Good job on contradicting yourself.
ERRRRR NO.

How does saying that "true gamers dont care about the hardware a good game is on" have anything to do with "ps3 was the best console choice for heavy rain".
Heavy rain was the game it was because the ps3 was the best console choice. End of, if it was the same exact game on 360 and pc, it would not matter what hardware it was on.
But it wouldn't have been, end of.

Quite frankly your whole entire argument is based on "Heavy rain is no good because its an exclusive and I dont like exclusives"

Can the same not be said for crysis?? According to your argument crysis is no good because you cannot play it on your console of choice????

Crysis wouldnt of been the same game if it was on consoles. Look at crysis 2 and see how the bar was lowered to make it multi platform.

Your argument makes no sense.
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ERRRRR NO.

How does saying that "true gamers dont care about the hardware a good game is on" have anything to do with "ps3 was the best console choice for heavy rain".
Heavy rain was the game it was because the ps3 was the best console choice. End of, if it was the same exact game on 360 and pc, it would not matter what hardware it was on.
But it wouldn't have been, end of.

Quite frankly your whole entire argument is based on "Heavy rain is no good because its an exclusive and I dont like exclusives"

Can the same not be said for crysis?? According to your argument crysis is no good because you cannot play it on your console of choice????

Crysis wouldnt of been the same game if it was on consoles. Look at crysis 2 and see how the bar was lowered to make it multi platform.

Your argument makes no sense.
Because when I said that I dislike developers restricting a game to a certain hardware, you replied with what I quoted above, that the hardware does not matter. If the hardware doesn't matter, then how come you're saying that it's only good on a certain hardware (PS3)?

And I never said Heavy Rain wasn't good because it's an exclusive. I am simply saying that it being an exclusive did not make it a better game. It only allowed the developers to make it better optimized because it was restricted to the PS3.

What the developers are saying is that they picked the PS3 because it has the best hardware, and if you agree with that you shouldn't be on this forum. A well optimized PC game would have much better graphics that any console game will have, more gameplay since the CPU can handle complex calculations, and still run on old machines with low settings.


And no Crysis is not the same thing. Crysis was made to push the limit. Even PCs today can barely handle it, consoles would get utterly destroyed by it.
On the other hand a PC or XBOX360 would be perfectly be able to run a PS3 game such as Heavy Rain.
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Damn it! I forgot to put my flame suit on!!!

To everyone,

It's not that I don't play on consoles, but I utterly despise the whole concept of "exclusives", and thus boycott all those games. (Even great games like MGS3 and 4 after having played the 1 and 2)

I like being given the choice of playing games on the PC.



Seriously? Out of all the great games you pick CoD? I wouldn't play it even if it was a PC exclusive. And I'd pick Starcraft over Heavy Rain any day.
Here it is in plain black and white. you are effectively a PC fan boy sorry.

For that STYLE OF GAME (HEAVY RAIN) IS MUCH BETTER ON A PS3 THAN PC.

You obviously haven't played it so don't comment, do you know the gameplay style of heavy rain?

"rotate left analog stick anti clockwise...quickly tap square...shake the controller left and right"


So you are saying that heavy rain would be better on pc because the pc cpu can handle more calculations "making gameplay better???"
HAHAHA..shows what you know. The cpu is the strongest part of the ps3, the gpu is rubbish and effectively a gtx 7800. But the cpu is a beast. The theoretical power of the ps3 cell surpasses even the top end pc cpus.
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I dont deserve to be on these forums because I think the ps3 is the better platform for heavy rain?...oh please, get over yourself.

Quite frankly you are a ill informed PC fanboy. I dont have a bias and enjoy all platforms equally.
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Can't you agree that newer entries in many Japanese series are pretty mediocre?


I can agree many but certainly not all have been mediocre. However if you want to lump every console game to be released in the last 5 years or so into one of the categories you gave, that's your choice. You will miss out on many great games though.


I don't think Heavy Rain needs a sequel. David Cage is a game developer, he will make other games and due to the hugely positive reaction to HR I'd say he'll head down the same line as HR.
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