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It jumped between 1.344, 1.352, and 1.360.

Edit: Made my way up to 1.395v and went 35 minutes until a BSOD. Currently 25 mins into the 1.400v testing.

Edit: 1hr 10 mins in, haven't gone over 61C in a 23C room. Voltages are fluctuating between 1.408, 1.416, 1.424.

BSOD 2hrs 10 mins in.
Sorry to hear frown.gif if you could fill out the settings you've set we can all take a look to see what's causing it! What BSODs errors have you been getting?
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I was running an H80 and wound up going back to stock because it made my room very hot in the summer. I was folding and I have no A/C. I'm not going to be folding as much, just gaming.

I have it set now to 4.5 with a 1.375 Vcore. 1.35 Just gave me a 101 BSOD. Its been stable for about 30 mins on a prime blend. I'm probably going to need some help hitting 4.8, I forgot a lot about OCing these chips.

Edit: Just BSODd about 40 mins in.

mine needs about 1.35v (under load) to be stable at 4.5, but I give it a tad extra (1.356v) to be certain. I've owned 3 sandy's and none of them have really fared better than this (all needed ridiculous voltage increases to get 4.7 or above, but ultimately were not stable. tweaking vccio in my experience has only made a small difference)

i've also found that it requires more voltage when using voltage offset, so i disable offset. it takes too much testing/tweaking to get an offset voltage stable under non-load conditions, in my experience
Edited by s74r1 - 5/21/13 at 8:34pm
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Hi Durden,

 

My friend, thanks for clarifying my queries in my previous posts. I'd like to share a "strategy" that I have figured out for my motherboard when doing Offset overclocking.

 

So, to recap (and for other forum members who may not have caught on our previous conversation), my motherboard (Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD7-B3, with latest official BIOS of F7) is not able to use Offset Voltage Values and Load-Line Calibration Levels together. In short, If I want to use LLC, I need to go with Manual Overclock Method...if I want to use Offset Values (i.e. Offset Overclock Method), the LLC Levels get disabled.

 

  1. I have been playing around with a 4.5GHz overclock and comparing between an Offset Value of +0.035V (my previous official submission at Page 1026) versus a lower possible Offset Value (I have just finished a stress test with +0.025V).
  2. Between the two, the difference as far as "max recorded temperature on hottest core" is just one degree Celsius. The +0.035V Offset Value gave me 75 degress Celsius, while the +0.025V Offset Value gave me 74 degrees Celsius. By the way, for other readers, I live in the Philippines and it's the summer months right now. Average daily weather is between 33 to 35 degrees Celsius (yeah I know, not good weather for overclocking).
  3. As far as effort involved to yield that one degree of improvement (cost-vs.-benefit in terms of effort), the +0.035V Offset was more efficient for me in the sense that it was "more stable", i.e. off the bat I was able to complete the 12-hour Prime95 Regular Blend Test without BSODs.
  4. As far as Power Usage (I compared the data on recorded "CPU Package Power"), the difference between the two Offset Values is numerically insignificant.

 

My conclusion/inference: although the higher Offset Value gives a higher temperature, its impact would not be significant since in the first place, Offset Method of Overclocking is done because one would want the voltages to scale down when the computer is idle. At idle, I see the VCore below 1.0V. Plus, when the computer is on full load (specifically during prolonged stress-testing), the voltage drops at an average of 3-4 voltage steps as observed and already mentioned in previous posts.

 

I got the hang of it now. I really appreciate this forum and its very helpful members! I would be honest though, that I am going to revert back to a milder overclock (at most, my overclock will be 4.2GHz) as the power consumption (hence electricity bill) versus performance increase is not commensurate for my typical usage scenarios. In other words, my "net loss" will be greater than my "net gain".

 

But at the end of it all, I am happy and satisfied because the very premise of my venture into overclocking is to learn how this works. It is worth learning and knowing that if I intend to not upgrade for a long period of time, there is this avenue/option of overclocking so as to keep up with the demands of new technology/software (if ever). :)

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the issue with using offset voltage without LLC though is you'd be giving your CPU more volts than it needs under load if not all 4 cores are loaded. (for example in gaming) because there would be less vdroop, but I understand on your board that isn't an option. in reverse, LLC doesn't work too well for me with offset because even though I can get it to reach the required 1.356v under load, it dips too much for the lower clock frequencies which necessitates a voltage increase (ending up with higher volts under load), or turning LLC down/off which presents problem #1 of voltage being improperly distributed to 1 or 2 cores on uneven load with less vdroop. I wish there was a way to tweak the offset to scale voltage differently at each clock interval.

so in the end, i just use manual voltage and if i want my volts down (for night or hot days of internet browsing) i use my board's overclocking software to downclock to 1600MHz with 0.965v
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Sorry to hear frown.gif if you could fill out the settings you've set we can all take a look to see what's causing it! What BSODs errors have you been getting?
Left it on overnight testing at 1.405v and woke up to a BSOD. Here's my settings, hopefully I'm doing something wrong.





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Left it on overnight testing at 1.405v and woke up to a BSOD. Here's my settings, hopefully I'm doing something wrong.






It all looks ok to me, the only thing I may have changed were the C3/C6 states to auto but then these would not help with an overclock. What BSOD error code are you getting?

Also these may be silly questions but:

1 Firstly is this a new build?
2 What Prime95 test do you run? (eg is it the one stated on the front page custom 90% available memory usage)
3 Have you ran your prime95 test at stock levels to rule out any issues with the build before an over clock? If not maybe worth while running a few checks to see its not the build causing the issues, eg memtest for a few hours, disk checks, ect.

Does seem weird how much you'd need to put for a 4.5 clock especially since its a 2600k chip too
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Left it on overnight testing at 1.405v and woke up to a BSOD. Here's my settings, hopefully I'm doing something wrong.






Looks good to me too, but that does seems like an awful lot for only 4.5. Have you tried giving the RAM 1.55v-1.6v to rule that out as a cause? That's the only thing I can think of.
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It all looks ok to me, the only thing I may have changed were the C3/C6 states to auto but then these would not help with an overclock. What BSOD error code are you getting?

Also these may be silly questions but:

1 Firstly is this a new build?
2 What Prime95 test do you run? (eg is it the one stated on the front page custom 90% available memory usage)
3 Have you ran your prime95 test at stock levels to rule out any issues with the build before an over clock? If not maybe worth while running a few checks to see its not the build causing the issues, eg memtest for a few hours, disk checks, ect.

Does seem weird how much you'd need to put for a 4.5 clock especially since its a 2600k chip too

All 101 codes, I got a 124 once in the middle somewhere.

No, overclocked before with a 4.6GHz clock stable. I really wish I wrote what I had down, it was about a year ago, never submitted it here.

I do custom 1344 x 1792, 6800MB RAM, 1 Min, Prime95 27.7.

Yes, never 12 hours but I have had it go for about 3 to see what my max temps would be stock.

I did just get my mobo back from RMA, I couldn't SLI so I sent it back. Not sure what they did and haven't been able to test if SLI works now. I tested my RAM about 2 months ago for 15 hours because my computer was crashing randomly under load, turned out to be the PSU.
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Looks good to me too, but that does seems like an awful lot for only 4.5. Have you tried giving the RAM 1.55v-1.6v to rule that out as a cause? That's the only thing I can think of.

I haven't tried that, I will after work.
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Hi Durden,

My friend, thanks for clarifying my queries in my previous posts. I'd like to share a "strategy" that I have figured out for my motherboard when doing Offset overclocking.

So, to recap (and for other forum members who may not have caught on our previous conversation), my motherboard (Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD7-B3, with latest official BIOS of F7) is not able to use Offset Voltage Values and Load-Line Calibration Levels together. In short, If I want to use LLC, I need to go with Manual Overclock Method...if I want to use Offset Values (i.e. Offset Overclock Method), the LLC Levels get disabled.
  1. I have been playing around with a 4.5GHz overclock and comparing between an Offset Value of +0.035V (my previous official submission at Page 1026) versus a lower possible Offset Value (I have just finished a stress test with +0.025V).
  2. Between the two, the difference as far as "max recorded temperature on hottest core" is just one degree Celsius. The +0.035V Offset Value gave me 75 degress Celsius, while the +0.025V Offset Value gave me 74 degrees Celsius. By the way, for other readers, I live in the Philippines and it's the summer months right now. Average daily weather is between 33 to 35 degrees Celsius (yeah I know, not good weather for overclocking).
  3. As far as effort involved to yield that one degree of improvement (cost-vs.-benefit in terms of effort), the +0.035V Offset was more efficient for me in the sense that it was "more stable", i.e. off the bat I was able to complete the 12-hour Prime95 Regular Blend Test without BSODs.
  4. As far as Power Usage (I compared the data on recorded "CPU Package Power"), the difference between the two Offset Values is numerically insignificant.

My conclusion/inference: although the higher Offset Value gives a higher temperature, its impact would not be significant since in the first place, Offset Method of Overclocking is done because one would want the voltages to scale down when the computer is idle. At idle, I see the VCore below 1.0V. Plus, when the computer is on full load (specifically during prolonged stress-testing), the voltage drops at an average of 3-4 voltage steps as observed and already mentioned in previous posts.

I got the hang of it now. I really appreciate this forum and its very helpful members! I would be honest though, that I am going to revert back to a milder overclock (at most, my overclock will be 4.2GHz) as the power consumption (hence electricity bill) versus performance increase is not commensurate for my typical usage scenarios. In other words, my "net loss" will be greater than my "net gain".

But at the end of it all, I am happy and satisfied because the very premise of my venture into overclocking is to learn how this works. It is worth learning and knowing that if I intend to not upgrade for a long period of time, there is this avenue/option of overclocking so as to keep up with the demands of new technology/software (if ever). smile.gif

Its always fun to see how things work, I guess its part the reason why we even build our own PCs smile.gif Its been a pleasure learning how to clock with you and glad you got some fun out of it!

ps I thought you promised to send some of that heat/sun my way!! biggrin.gif
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Its always fun to see how things work, I guess its part the reason why we even build our own PCs smile.gif Its been a pleasure learning how to clock with you and glad you got some fun out of it!

ps I thought you promised to send some of that heat/sun my way!! biggrin.gif

 

Yes, it is fun to do overclocking especially with very helpful people like you and Sashimi. :) Especially, learning together. Now I get the concept of why this is called a "club".

 

I will still, from time to time, do overclocking for the sport of it. Eventually or during the rainy season here in the Philippines, I will be then able to try higher overclocks (i.e. those beyond 4.5GHz). By then, the average weather temperature in the Philippines will be between 25-27 degrees Celsius (yeah...still, compared to weather in other countries it is not "cold" enough but it will do).

 

Lolz...yeah the sunshine...will try to send some. :D

 

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the issue with using offset voltage without LLC though is you'd be giving your CPU more volts than it needs under load if not all 4 cores are loaded. (for example in gaming) because there would be less vdroop, but I understand on your board that isn't an option. in reverse, LLC doesn't work too well for me with offset because even though I can get it to reach the required 1.356v under load, it dips too much for the lower clock frequencies which necessitates a voltage increase (ending up with higher volts under load), or turning LLC down/off which presents problem #1 of voltage being improperly distributed to 1 or 2 cores on uneven load with less vdroop. I wish there was a way to tweak the offset to scale voltage differently at each clock interval.

so in the end, i just use manual voltage and if i want my volts down (for night or hot days of internet browsing) i use my board's overclocking software to downclock to 1600MHz with 0.965v

 

Hm...that's not a bad idea. :)


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