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People thinks different about what "stable" means.
That is kind of the whole reason why this thread is here, isn't it?
And I believe this thread is valuable for who seeks every kind of stability. (Thanks to munaim1 )
Some wants 80% stability (to me. but enough for them.) and some wants 120% stability. (like me )
So if we are to make all of those people who seek stability happy, what are we going to do?
We have 3 choices.

1. No, we can't accommodate all. We want extreme stability. Nothing but that.
Since this thread IS dedicated for stability.
We're sorry for people who think that 30% of their RAM tested and 2 hours of gaming are enough to make them think their systems are stable.
I mean if you think you only use 3GB of RAM so you test only 3GB....why did you get 8GB of ram in the first place???
We only want to see the results of well tested 120% stable systems.

2. It's OK to have a list of whatever people think it's stable.
1500mb or 6500mb or whatever.
After all, we are going to use our system however the way we want.
So what I think stable IS stable.
Just give us the results so we can compare them whether it gives us BSOD with 6GB of ram used or not.

3. We can make 2 different result listings.
One for the previous rule which is... yes, the stable systems.
And the other is for "extreme stability" seekers.
But there is one problem...
munaim1 has to do all this pain in the f^@kin' a@% work.
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In my opinion, the point of stability testing is to ensure that my system will be absolutely 100% stable for all else I run, or possibly could run/or never will run.

A stability test in my opinion is a test I run which stands above all else (All other software that is possible to run) when it comes to stressing my system.

A stability test should be the ultimate way of ensuring stability. If not, I feel the whole point and thought behind stability testing would be gone.
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I guess so, since I stated my personal opinion, and that seems to fit with the #1 option

Edit: I'm not sure if testing with 1600MB VS 90% mem is easier on the CPU, as long as RAM is stable. I just always use 6000MB for my testing. So if anyone can confirm they did a 12 hours + run at 1600MB but failed when using more RAM, even though their RAM (Overclock or stock settings) was stable in itself, that would be great. Memcontroller is built-in the CPU, so it may be stressing Sandybridge more if using more RAM. It is said, Sandybridge often overclock better (Lower Vcore with lower ammounts of RAM, like 2x2GB makes the CPU needing lesser Vcore VS 2x4GB.



Maybe munaim1 should start a poll on this subject?
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I believe stability is stability at the end of the day, therefore with the work that it's going to take to change it around to suit everyone's need will be a lot of hard work. This is the stable thread, that's means general stability and extreme stability, both are included. I like option 1 and 2 as that makes more sense, but option 3 is toooooooo crazy and I really don't think it's necessary but we'll see how things turn out. As my gut feeling is saying option 1, option 2 sounds better for EVERYONE, that way we can get more results in without people thinking that this club is all about OCD therapy on stress testing.







The opposite happend to me once, I thought with PLL overvoltage was only needed for high multi's but that's not the case, it's needed for particular multi's generally the high ones, so if you need it for 50, you might not needed it for 51 and again need it for 54.

I tried multi 55 with pLL overvoltage and it didn't work, I disabled it and then it was fine, now it works regardless of it being on or off, however didn't test it on multi 56 though.







That sounds like a very good idea, personally I think it will still pass regardless of RAM usage, but further testing will help.






Leave LLC on ultra high, because at Extreme (100%) it will most likely cause voltage spikes whih is not good. Also what I recommend doing is, you have your stable settings right for which you used to submit to the club, try with exactly those settings but a custom blend with the RAM. We know that you can pass a 12hour standard blend test with 1600mb, 4.8ghz @ 1.342v, try doing the same for the custom blend and higher RAM.

I think it'll pass but you never know, even if you fail it, I think your rig should still be stable with whatever you use it for.


Too much debate about the amount of RAM needed. Let see, I ran almost thirteen hours of regular blend. I can run 15 minutes of 1344 but not 1792 @ 6000. So that means that my system is not stable?

However i can run both fft for most than half and hour @ 4000 with a total RAM used of 4.9.

So where am i?

We are always trying to make our system to fail. I you want 120% stability forget about OC. When you OC a system you are running it beyond specification so errors can happen no matter what.
The only thing you can do is delay it. I'm aware that my system is open to failure but i can live with that.
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Here is my submission, I chose to use 90% of my ram since I can get into situations where I'll be using a little bit of it. There's also a question of stability with 1600mb so why not.

I turned my ac from 78f to 80f when at the end and my temps went up 2c or so Room Temp was 76f-80f at all times. The peak was 74c for over 10 hours. Most of the time it was at 64-70c. I'm already booted up at 48 with +.010 bump.

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what nvidia driver are you running?
275.50
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275.50
Thats probably the problem, roll back to the 266.58 (IMO its the most stable out of all of them) and see if you problem persists. Regardless of the error code, i stumbled across another use doubting their stability, it was down to the recent crappy nvidia drivers. Give those drivers a go and report back and let us know.



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I'll add you later on when I get home.
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I'm trying LLC at Extreme now, and compensate for it by lowering the Offset.

I'm hoping my CPU is not degraded, and that it failed because of Vdroops. I believe my Vdroops may have changed a little bit at LLC Ultra High, after a few reboots or something.
    
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Thats probably the problem, roll back to the 266.58 (IMO its the most stable out of all of them) and see if you problem persists. Regardless of the error code, i stumbled across another use doubting their stability, it was down to the recent crappy nvidia drivers. Give those drivers a go and report back and let us know.
I can give it a try. Once I raised that up too 1.450v, I've play hours of Dirt 3 with no problems at all. Should I pull the profile for Dirt 3 out of this 275.50 driver and load it in the 266.58? That will prolly just do the same thing I would assume. There's not a Dirt 3 profile I'm sure in that old driver. Nor a Crysis 2 profile. I'll try tho.
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I'm trying LLC at Extreme now, and compensate for it by lowering the Offset.

I'm hoping my CPU is not degraded, and that it failed because of Vdroops. I believe my Vdroops may have changed a little bit at LLC Ultra High, after a few reboots or something.
Yeah, I've found for me Extreme is the best. My settings are:

1.375v idle and 1.392v load with extreme = STABLE
1.400v idle and 1.396v load with ultra high = FAIL

Kinda strange from the numbers shown. You would think that the Ultra setting looks a little better but it's not.
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Yeah, I've found for me Extreme is the best. My settings are:

1.375v idle and 1.392v load with extreme = STABLE
1.400v idle and 1.396v load with ultra high = FAIL

Kinda strange from the numbers shown. You would think that the Ultra setting looks a little better but it's not.
Probably Vcore Vdroop spikes that makes it fail at LLC Ultra High.

I suddenly got unstable at previously tested settings. So I think it could have something to do with the LLC.
    
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It actually seems like my 2600K now needs a tad more Vcore VS previously stable settings..

Update, after going back to LLC at Ultra High and my old + 0.045 for Offset at 4.8GHz it now runs a tad higher Vcore VS my previous (Submission for this Club)
Edited by turrican9 - 7/29/11 at 7:07am
    
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