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physide, those FFTs are unreliable.

I was told to use them before Prime blend 12 hours, and that this setting is very hard (and good) for SB platforms, damn! frown.gif

EDIT: How would you rate LINX then? now when i got my 8GB kit, i can do some decent testing, btw i failed Blend 95 after few hours 2 days ago, but it was with 1.7 PLL, i think i could get pass with 1.45+ or maybe get better results smile.gif

BTW testing with BBC2, does it require to play online in order to make proper "test" or its good enough single player? i'm asking this because i got big lag this days so i cant play online frown.gif
Edited by psyside - 9/6/11 at 10:55am
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I was told to use them before Prime blend 12 hours, and that this setting is very hard (and good) for SB platforms, damn!
I have noted this my little guide:

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Just a note: The custom FFT's are not that consistant, making them not all that reliable, however if it works for you, then that's great. What I mean by inconsistant, is that it may pass once with the same settings but may fail the exact same run second time round. In that instance I will recommend you to run a standard blend test to find your overclock, using intervals of 15/30mins. This duration will increase when you're nearing stability. This is a lenthy process, one that takes time and patience, make sure your up to the task



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EDIT: How would you rate LINX then? now when i got my 8GB kit, i can do some decent testing, btw i failed Blend 95 after few hours 2 days ago, but it was with 1.7 PLL, i think i could get pass with 1.45+ or maybe get better results

BTW testing with BBC2, does it require to play online in order to make proper "test" or its good enough single player? i'm asking this because i got big lag this days so i cant play online

I personally dislike IBT/LinX because of the heat that it generates, 12c more than blend in my case, however a combination of both can help but the ultimate test for sandy is a standard blend test with 90% of your available RAM.

Pll voltage helps stabalize an overclock, ie 1.35v vcore for 4.8ghz could fail with a 124 error in 35mins, that could mean vtt vcore or even PLL, my first advice on that instance would be to try and raise the vtt (VCCIO) a little and retest, if it fails in 10 mins than you know it's not helping. same goes for the PLL voltage, but I would recommend testing PLL voltage from 1.4.

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Just thought I'd let you guys know, I have been testing the PLL voltage further and found something quite amazing. With my current stable settings including the PLL voltage around 1.7v was stable as you can see from my submission to the club. For the last 10days or so I tried messing around with the PLL, I dropped it down to 1.4v and started going up, I kept on receiving the Error 124 up until I reached 1.55v and it passed both the 1344 and 1792 test along with a few hours of prime blend. My sweet spot is at 1.55v.
Trust me it's a lengthy process One thing people tend ot forget to do is write down their findings, it helps when you can actually see progesss in fron of you, use something like notepad.

single or multi should be fine. The lag could be down to something else like gpu driver or LAN.
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Yea, thanks reading your new guide now

BTW what you think about BBC2?
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[QUOTE=munaim1;14842465]ummmmm who?



sorry i was looking at your bios settings on first page sorry if its a stupid question
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Yea, thanks reading your new guide now

BTW what you think about BBC2?
Edited above thanks for the +rep



[quote=brian19876;14842642]
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ummmmm who?

sorry i was looking at your bios settings on first page sorry if its a stupid question

Not a stupid question at all

Oh right, I need PLL overvoltage to boot with 51x multi but obviously need to determine the vcore for it, therefore had to lower and increase it as I was stablizing it..

PLL overvoltage is only needed when a particular multi doesn't boot into windows (Usually the high ones 48+)



Fire away and I'll try and answer the questions at the best of my ability


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I would have craeted a new thread for my guide, however, there is too many already out there and it could get confusing for some, therefore I copy and paste it when required.
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Munaim1, thanks for your great effot and will to help everyone!

Now for my settings, i actually tried lower then 1.45 PLL with no success..it was dropping after 7 mins, 2 times in a row, after i bumped to 1.45 i passed 30 mins so it does help i guess.

My next step would be 1.18 VCCIO, and PLL to 1.5 but with lower vcore, just to see how it goes.

ANd yes i wrote down my findings, this is just what i did today and it does helps a ton! btw do you think its safe (ok) to make txt documents, and typing during prime 95 tests? or will it make test un-reliable and must write it on papper ?

BTW LINX tends to need quite alot vcore from my experience or i'm wrong? because i pass OCCT 4 (16) beta, like np, i pass 1344 FFT Prime 95 (30 mins) i would use the blend, but it takes so muchhhhhhhhh time i just cant stand it

Other then that LINX crash in just over 25 seconds lol! i want to stop using it but i wonder what can i use other then this, with similar effects? or it is same as IBT, and OCCT linkpack? Oh and how long do i need to play BBC2, in order to find possible instability, (in genrall) is it fast? or i need to play whole day lol


Also, do i have to max out the game? because i only get like 5-10% cpu usage during it, and if you know some program that measure cpu usage in game would be great to know


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Munaim1, thanks for your great effot and will to help everyone!
No worries, always happy to help


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Now for my settings, i actually tried lower then 1.45 PLL with no success..it was dropping after 7 mins, 2 times in a row, after i bumped to 1.45 i passed 30 mins so it does help i guess.
1.45v does seem a little low lol, try increasing it a little more,


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My next step would be 1.18 VCCIO, and PLL to 1.5 but with lower vcore, just to see how it goes.
Change one setting at a time, try pll 1.5v first. I wouldn't recommend changing the VCCio, it should only be upped if you're overclocking the RAM or if it's at 1.65v. You won't need 1.18v, leave it at 1.15 or try even lowering it, but agai first try pll then that, then both together. See which three helps.


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ANd yes i wrote down my findings, this is just what i did today and it does helps a ton! btw do you think its safe (ok) to make txt documents, and typing during prime 95 tests? or will it make test un-reliable and must write it on papper ?
I usually recommend people leaving prime running and not messing with the rig, but notepad shouldn't be a problem. You have to realise that sometimes background processes can disrupt stability testing, causing bsods, that does NOT mean it's unstable. Refer to this:

Random / Idle BSODS & Tips


**If your sandybridge is giving you problems under light load or idle, then try disabling c3/c6, this usually applies to offset users, manual voltage users should try running C3 and C6 report on Auto.

A handful of users' have reported that even after priming 12hrs+ they have recieved random bsods, this does not really indicate that it's unstable.

The error codes are not 100% and are not ALWAYS correct, with that said, stress testing in your main OS is not a good idea. If possible get yourself a spare HDD and load up windows and run all your stress testing on that. The idea of having another HDD is so that when your running your stress testing, background processes are at a minimum and should help indicate the main source of bsods, disabling the internet connection is also a good idea, same with any type of antivirus. Just remember too many bsods in a OS can cause the OS to become unstable ie corrupted file systems etc. With that said, if you pass 12hrs once you should be able to pass again, however, this does not mean go OCD stress testing.

In a situation where you are getting random bsods try the following:
  • Try running C3 and C6 on AUTO with C1E and EIST Enabled.

  • Clear CMOS (quick way - take the baterry out), load saved stable overclock, fresh windows install with pretty much nothing installed, no internet connection, nothing just a prime blend run. With minimum processes running and windows services, it would ba clear indication of stability without other 'things' such as a driver error, windows update, internet connection causing bsod.

  • You could try the above or even a BIOS update, I stress that before you update, run stock setttings and then update the BIOS (**Don't update the BIOS on an overclock setting, you could risk bricking the mobo)

  • Try Enabling all power saving features - C1E, EIST C3 and C6.

  • Many have found that enabling SPREAD SPECTRUM reduces the voltage fluctuation.

  • Try using Manual voltage instead of Offset.

  • Go to control Panel/hardware and sound/power options and select High performance Mode.

  • Take the RAM out of the equation, underclock it if you have to and see whether or not it continues.

  • Try a fresh OS install on a spare HDD or something, remember as explained before, too many bsods in the os = corrupt file system = unstable OS

  • IF you have an SSD Read THIS, it might help solve your problems.

  • Run Prime on it's own and leave it!!!!

  • Flash video bsod/freezing? Read THIS (Disable Hardware Acceleration)

Hopefully some of these TIPS could help you against the dreaded IDLE/RANDOM BSOD and get your CPU stable. I'll add some more TIPS along the way.




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BTW LINX tends to need quite alot vcore from my experience or i'm wrong? because i pass OCCT 4 (16) beta, like np, i pass 1344 FFT Prime 95 (30 mins) i would use the blend, but it takes so muchhhhhhhhh time i just cant stand it
The new AVX with IBT/LinX does indeed draw more vcore, all these stress testing are very much different form each other, however as mentioned before prime95 blend test with 90% available RAM is the best to use with sandybridge. All the other's are a waste of time.



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Other then that LINX crash in just over 25 seconds lol! i want to stop using it but i wonder what can i use other then this, with similar effects? or it is same as IBT, and OCCT linkpack? Oh and how long do i need to play BBC2, in order to find possible instability, (in genrall) is it fast? or i need to play whole day lol
AVX is present IBT, LinX and OCCT, so all will use the same instructions. If the 1344 and 1792 don't work well for you, use prime blend, standard or custom with your available RAM. If you're prime blend stable then you should be able to game as long as you want, bc2 is not really a stability tester if you know what I mean.


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Also, do i have to max out the game? because i only get like 5-10% cpu usage during it, and if you know some program that measure cpu usage in game would be great to know

Sorry for many questions
bc2 is quite cpu dependant afaik, so just running is more than enough. I think MSI afterburner has some form of monitoring, im not 100% sure on that.
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1. My auto VCCIO is 1.050 set by mobo/BIOS with 8GB ram (but i setted it to 1.81) dunno why it sets so low on auto, but knowing i use 8GB memory @ 2133 mhz (its 1.5v) rated, i was advised to use 1.81, vccio and a bit higher dram 1.55+ i use atm, will try to set Vccio@ 1.50, does it goes together with Dram voltage? for e.g. if i use 1.5dram i should not raise the vccio? are they go linear or what? :/


2. CPU PLL, yes your correct, i guess i'm barely stable with it, i tought as well to raise it to 1.50+ in order go get more stability, because lower then 1.400 it would BSOD, so a bit more should help, your right!


3.So using programs like LINX is not good for SB, ok i will forget about them, what do you think about new beta (15/16) OCCT versions? are they even optimized for SB?


4. P95, 1344 works good for me, its the only demanding and decent i hope test, which i passed with not much problems, unlike LINX, yea now i know FFt 1344 tests are not the best, but at least they are better then LINX (linkpack based programs) other then that i have not tried 1792 FFT, whats the difference? and do i have to use both of them? someone said they are the same, but im no sure.

5. Thanks alot one more time, always pleasure to chat with ya dude
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1. My auto VCCIO is 1.050 set by mobo/BIOS with 8GB ram (but i setted it to 1.81) dunno why it sets so low on auto, but knowing i use 8GB memory @ 2133 mhz (its 1.5v) rated, i was advised to use 1.81, vccio and a bit higher dram 1.55+ i use atm, will try to set Vccio@ 1.50, does it goes together with Dram voltage? for e.g. if i use 1.5dram i should not raise the vccio? are they go linear or what? :/
max recommend VCCIO is 1.2v for 24/7. If your ram is rated 1.5v, then use 1.5v, the VCCIO at that point can be left on auto or even a small bump to 1.125v could help stability.


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CPU PLL, yes your correct, i guess i'm barely stable with it, i tought as well to raise it to 1.50+ in order go get more stability, because lower then 1.400 it would BSOD, so a bit more should help, your right!
1.55 seems to be the sweet spot for me, try raising it slowly and test with prime each time. What I would recommend doing first to eliminate vccio or dram, is to put everything on stock and run the ram at it's rated voltage and timing and set the VCCIO to 1.125v, if it passes a considerable amount of time then you're good to go on the PLL. PLL voltage will continue giving you bsods or an 124 error untill you find the sweet spot, that sweet spot will be either full stability with your overclock and voltage or a bsod telling you to increase the vcore NOT the vtt or the PLL. Eliminate each thing one at a time and you'll get the hang of it.


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So using programs like LINX is not good for SB, ok i will forget about them, what do you think about new beta (15/16) OCCT versions? are they even optimized for SB?
Not really, all their good for is generating heat like mad. Not sure about OCCT/IBT.


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P95, 1344 works good for me, its the only demanding and decent i hope test, which i passed with not much problems, unlike LINX, yea now i know FFt 1344 tests are not the best, but at least they are better then LINX (linkpack based programs) other then that i have not tried 1792 FFT, whats the difference? and do i have to use both of them? someone said they are the same, but im no sure.
Forget LinX and concentrate on prime. If 1344 works well then try 1792, both are hard ffts to pass for sandybridge, but remember what I said about them being unreliable, they may pass with X settings but fail in the second time round. If you find that is happening then just use prime blend with 90% available RAM.


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[QUOTE=psyside;14843299]1. My auto VCCIO is 1.050 set by mobo/BIOS with 8GB ram (but i setted it to 1.81) dunno why it sets so low on auto, but knowing i use 8GB memory @ 2133 mhz (its 1.5v) rated, i was advised to use 1.81, vccio and a bit higher dram 1.55+ i use atm, will try to set Vccio@ 1.50, does it goes together with Dram voltage? for e.g. if i use 1.5dram i should not raise the vccio? are they go linear or what? :/


1.8 wow too high im at 1.1


i know its hard to wait for prime but set it up before you goto bed and let it run when your at school or work
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samsung evo850 noutla nh-15 win 10 acer XB271HU 
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evga 1300 
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2500k @ 4.8 1.416v stable gigabyte z68 950ti kingston 8GB ddr3 
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60g ssd + 96g ssd + 2tb hdd dark knight with 2 fans push pull win 10 corsair 1000 watt 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820k asrock xfatailty evga 980ti sli 16 gb ddr4 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
samsung evo850 noutla nh-15 win 10 acer XB271HU 
Power
evga 1300 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2500k @ 4.8 1.416v stable gigabyte z68 950ti kingston 8GB ddr3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
60g ssd + 96g ssd + 2tb hdd dark knight with 2 fans push pull win 10 corsair 1000 watt 
CaseAudio
custom xfi music 
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